After it was discovered at the St Ann's Labour Party selection candidate selection meeting that there were people present and voting who should not have been, I came home from the pub (where I'd heard about it) and wrote this article. It has subsequently been edited by site admins to remove the names of people who were embarrassed or in the final case where a journalist said it was potentially libellous. Well here I will attempt to summarise what we have subsequently found out and hopefully take people's attention away from my original appalling rant.
*An individual has asked that their name be replaced with their function in this post on the grounds that they are not seeking public office. This has been done.
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Ed Miliband says one thing and the party, basically from him down, does another. Ian McNichol, as the General Secretary of the Labour Party seems to have made sure that #stanns doesn't get up as far as Ed (although the fact that his bag carrier,James Stewart, is a current but soon to be ex Noel Park ward councillor makes me think that he knows all about it) however, Labour Party members from all around the country have heard of this and because Ali Gul Ozbek is attending every fund raising dinner he can for the Labour Party they know who he is too.
All we want is fairly elected councillors, accountable to us. Is that too much to ask?
James Stewart was IN THE SELECTION MEETING IN QUESTION. He lives in St Ann's or claimed membership on September 18th at least.
The visit is over. The two officers, were apologetic (even indignant) but apparently a couple of my tweets mentioning him over the past few months have crossed the line. I didn't swear at him or even make death threats but it seems that is enough for a grown man, capable of fighting his own battles in politics, to involve the police. Ridiculous. Anyway, I have been issued with a "Prevention of Harassment Letter", so I guess that's me effectively silenced. Anyone else want to take up the baton?
I'm sorry John that really sucks. You definitely have our support any time, we think you're a great guy with honest principals that you defend. What you do helps folk so keep going old buddy
WHETHER in the circumstances, the content of the two tweets justified a complaint to the police is a matter that may best be left alone.
I don't know the two tweets that are referred to, I don't want to know and you won't want to repeat them. The officers probably have said how they believe you "crossed the line". Let us assume that the visit from the officers should silence you in respect of further tweets of (whatever was) the nature of those two tweets.
However, I can't see why it should silence you in other respects.
Apparently I called him "filth" in one tweet, although I wonder if they got their wires crossed there, and I said in another "I know I'm hassling you but...".
John, I think there's a lesson here about the merits of (IMO the excessively brief) Twitter, versus the ability to develop an argument on a wider canvas, such as on HoL.
Thus, if one were engaged in dirty or corrupt politics, then one might be described as filthy, or at least filthy in that respect. Its best not to personalise matters more than necessary. It shouldn't be confused with bathing frequency. However, if one grapples with another covered in tar, some of it could transfer to oneself.
This is a dirty business.
Unless your tweets were addressed to him in person I don't see how they can say you were harassing him. You have not " imposed unwanted communications and contacts upon him "
If he chose to read them that's his problem.
However, best to play it safe, Well done for everything so far.
I "mentioned" him, he doesn't follow me and I don't follow him. Although the tweets that he has sent @owenjones84 makes him a bit of a hypocrite really.
David Lammy just blocked me. Correction, someone in his office blocked me.
This is an utter scandal. Please let us know what we can do to help.
I am a former Labour party activist - I was election organiser in St Anne's when Bernie was first elected. I can never vote Tory, and after the ConDem alliance would find it very difficult to vote lib-dem. Yet, I now find myself in an impossible position, despite being in Harringay ward I will find it very difficult to vote Labour locally.
I think that other decent Labour councillors and candidates need to publicly distance themselves from the local leadership who are clearly allowing this corruption to take place.
Surely a national/London newspaper will now be interested in this story?
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