Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Felling of ancient trees planned in Ally Pally Park
This from Anastasia Christofis in our inbox this evening:
Two old oak trees in Alexandra Park are destined for the chop (see pics). The one in The Grove has a diameter of 4-5 feet. This tree was one of the boundary markers of The Grove Estate in the 18th century with Tottenham Wood. I don’t know the time scale of this.
Apparently there has been a tree survey done but no one has seen it as it has not been made public.
The Park Manager/Planners, I am told (on the grapevine) have apparently nodded it through on the basis of this survey without any further planning application/consultations/wider consent as is now becoming common practice in the Grove Historic gardens and other areas of the Palace (as you know, it is Conservation Area, subject to Local and National Legislative frameworks with regard to Conservation/Biodiversity, amongst other things and on the Charity Trust land with buildings of the People of London and of interest to me and others as such, so much so in fact some people are up in arms about it already, amongst other things, which is how I have got wind of it).
BBC’s Springwatch scientists recently found rare protected beetles nesting and rare fungi in Alexandra Park which like to live in old ancient woodland trees and decayed wood.
More importantly, can you please help me to find out more about who in this Borough is responsible for safeguarding/protecting these trees and where to obtain copy of this Tree Survey
The Stag Beetles are not the only rare species to be found nesting amongst the rare Bolitius Fungus at Alexandra Palace. There are many other rare species that are reliant and a part of the biodiversity of this area and as a rare old bird, like many of you, I consider myself to be one of them, though no less unconsidered in the past than the recently rediscovered varieties.
I would like to be reassured that our oxygen levels will not be further diminished in this area of poor air quality (Haringey) by the unnecessary culling of trees.
Can somebody get back to me on this and help to put a stop to it in principle (genuine safety considerations excepted, like if a tree is actually caught or threatening vandalism in the park or GBH/ABH, for example) and hopefully copy of the Tree Survey should confirm this.
Those of you interested in this story may also be interested in the Tree Trust for Haringey.
Tags for Forum Posts: alexandra park, parks, trees
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Permalink Reply by james walsh on
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This tree has lost a bough, stripping the bark away. Maybe the tree doesn't look 'healthy' enough ? which is daft because the plant is obviously flourishing. Let's try to keep this lovely tree.
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Permalink Reply by Omotn on
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I wonder if Anastasia Christofis's grapevine is also to be cut down. Indignation based on a rumour may well be wasted energy. Where do we look for the facts? From the photographs one of these trees is clearly subject to bits dropping off and the other seems to lack much of its bark. Both might be suitable cases for being cut down. I guess that when the branch fell off no one was walking underneath. Should another branch fall, passers by might not be so lucky. I guess if there were a 50% chance of a branch dropping off or the tree falling over most observers would say "cut it down" (or perhaps "make it safe"). If there were a 30% chance .... ?/ 10% ?/ 5%? I wonder what the assessment is and where the line is drawn. Trees do get old and fall over, they're only human after all, and are replaced by saplings. That's what acorns are for.
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Omotn. ''Trees do get old and fall over, they're only human after all,''
I'm very sorry but i could not understand what you said. What i could make out dosen't make any kind of sense or logic.
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on
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Is there a danger of a branch falling off and injuring or killing someone? There are trees on railway land not far from me. One afternoon I heard an almighty crack and saw a big branch sail down to earth. Those trees are about 50% taller than the oaks. I'm glad no one was underneath otherwise they'd have been a goner. When these branches let go, there is no warning.
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Ha ha that's great. Now trees are DANGEROUS ha ha haaaaw ha thank you so very much for making my weekend a giggle fest.
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Permalink Reply by JeremyS on
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Not so funny now, James.
Good response Omotn to what came across as a snide answer from James. (Perhaps you didn't mean it that way James, but that's how it came across).
Though, having said that, I do have great sympathy with the original author and would try everything I could to save these marvellous trees.
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Hold the front page !
Latest news: Trees are dangerous, don't let your guard down.
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Trees aren't intrinsically dangerous, but old trees can suddenly drop branches from heights sufficient to kill; this happens less often than weak trees being blown down in storms. These can and do kill people. I'm still a big fan of trees, but its foolish to pretend that there are no circumstances in which they can be dangerous.
This relevant Google search yields 216m pages. Even if 90% are irrelvant, it still leaves a lot of accidents caused by falling trees or branches.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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The trees do look at bit worse for wear AND are right over a public footpath. Yes - I hate to see trees go but they do have a life span like anything else.
By the way - I do think Anastasia has got one of her facts a bit wrong. Trees in conservation areas need planning consent before any works are carried out. My experience of the tree team in planning is that they are very diligent about protecting trees. If the work is going ahead without permission it is an offence (and one of the few planning infringements punishable by a fairly hefty fine) -
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FYI: Trees have so many species that i can't remember (i went to horticulture college in the early 80's). Each of these species is different from and some are so alike that you wouldn't know unless you had training. Each has a different growing pattern, some grow very slowly, some very quickly. to say that 'trees are dangerous' is a ridiculous idea. It's true that some trees, Beech, for instance have a reputation (for dropping branches without warning). Bushcrafters and woodsman/women will look around to make sure they are not camping under a Beech tree so that particular tree is in fact a hazzard when camping because you're underneath it for a prolonged period. Are trees more dangerous than flower pots ? No. Are we going to start worrying about walking near buildings ? I hope not.
The Arborists (tree surgeons) that work for our council will certainly know what they are doing and would be in a lot of trouble if they didn't, so don't worry whether they are allowing trees to be 'dangerous' because you can be sure that if any tree were a hazzard, they would be chopped/removed immediately without any emotion (except protected trees). -
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to say that 'trees are dangerous' is a ridiculous idea.
James the only person to use this phrase is yourself, above. Tree can be dangerous in certain circumstances. I would like to report that the trees in Finsubry Park that suffered dog attack (dogs can be dangerous) are doing well, I'm pleased to say.
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