Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Ending of Daily Visitor Permits to increase daily visitor parking charge by 164%
A parking review consultation run quietly at the start of the year seems to have been so little publicised that it attracted just 42 responses (augmented with another 58 garnered by phone).
The change it included that residents may feel most keenly is the abolition of daily visitor permits.
Currently Haringey's website gives the following prices for visitor permits:
Standard daily visitor permits are £5 and hourly are £1.20.
The "Parking Strategy and Policy/Charges Review, Appendix D: Updated parking permit policy / charges" shares the expectation that residents will henceforth be expected to make up a day's parking permit with hourly permits. For the Ladder where the CPZ runs from 08:00 to 18:30, this will require eleven hourly permits to make up a full day. If the hourly charge remains at £1.20, this will mean a total daily cost of £13.20, an increase of a mere 164%. The cutting below is extracted from that Appendix.
It's not clear to me why hourly permits should be less open to abuse than daily ones, but I'm all ears. If the primary motivation for this change was indeed to counter permit abuse, one would have thought it a fairly easy matter to protect residents from the affects of standing up to the abuse by simply putting a cap on daily charges like London Transport do. As far as I can make out, this hasn't happened.
At section 4.1 of the background papers (attached below), the Council has gone to the trouble of benchmarking the cost of daily business visitor permits. That's helpful. They looked at Camden, Islington, Ealing, Greenwich and Waltham Forest.
For some reason, no benchmarking was done on the cost of daily resident visitor parking costs. I've done my best to fill that gap. I've used the same boroughs and added Hackney since that was a missing neighbouring borough.
The current cost for a visitor to park in CPZ of those six boroughs for a day are as follows.
Camden: £8.79
Islington: £7.20 - £8.00 (on my calculationat £0.90 and £1.00 per hour)) discounted to £2.80 for 60+
Greenwich: Tradesmen £18.50 per week, and £9 per 10 vouchers (no information on time period validity)
Waltham Forest: £8.00 (at £1.00 per hour)
Hackney: £5.30.......................
...................vs Haringey: £13.20
....unless of course I'm misunderstanding Haringey's policy - only too happy to be set straight.
The change was part of a wider Parking strategy review that was passed by the Council last week. The recommendations of the review were adopted without dissent (see minute 48:30 of meeting on YouTube).
This change is unlikely to affect me personally but I fear that it may have an impact on some who are not is a strong position to absorb the increased charges.
(The section on comparative parking costs was added at 18:55 on 24 July)
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Permalink Reply by AndrewAW1
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That reminds me, I need to report them to the ICO (again) for not responding to my previous FOI.
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From the documents it does suggest that there will be a statutory consultation before the changes happen. Hopefully they may actually tell people about it if that is the case.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh
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Well spotted, though it's always more difficult to get the Council to listen to the responses of a consultation once something has been given been given council approval.
We should be in no doubt that the Council has already approved the policy "subject to the outcome of statutory consultation". The policy will not go back to the elected politicians for a second bite. The running of the consultation and the decision on any changes following its completion has been delegated to officer level. See Section 3.5. It says that the Cabinet:
3.5 Delegates authority to the Head of Highways and Parking to:
a) carry out all required statutory consultations regarding the proposed changes to charges and parking policy detailed in Appendix D and
b) makeallnecessarytrafficmanagementorders(“TMOs”),havingconsidered any objections received in response to the statutory consultation, to implement the proposed changes, subject to key decisions being considered by Cabinet; and
c) wheretheHeadofHighwaysandParkingconsidersappropriate,todecide to either (i) not proceed with or (ii) modify one or more of the proposed TMOs to address any matters arising from the statutory consultation or (iii) to refer the matter(s) to Cabinet for determination.
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Permalink Reply by Nigel
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How can we buttonhole this "Head of Highways", Hugh? He can only act lawfully, ie reasonably. It is at least arguable that if a significant and material matter or flaw has been pointed out to him that was not considered by the Council when they decided on the policy, he cannot lawfully implement it, and must go back to the Council. Maybe remind him of that, cc the "Head of Legal"?
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She has been given delegated authority to take decisions on behalf of the council.
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Unfortunately by the stage of a 'statutory consultation' the deed is already done, as those fighting CPZs know only too well. It is merely an administrative fiction giving notice that a change is happening rather than an opportunity to affect the outcome of the process...
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At section 4.1 of the background papers (added above in reply to a request by Alan S), the Council has gone to the trouble of benchmarking the cost of daily business visitor permits. That's helpful. They looked at Camden, Islington, Ealing, Greenwich and Waltham Forest.
For some reason, no benchmarking was done on the cost of daily resident visitor parking costs. I've done my best to fill that gap. I've used the same boroughs and added Hackney since that was a missing neighbouring borough.
The current cost for a visitor to park in CPZ of those six boroughs for a day are as follows.
Camden: £8.79
Islington: £7.20 - £8.00 (on my calculationat £0.90 and £1.00 per hour)) discounted to £2.80 for 60+
Greenwich: Tradesmen £18.50 per week, and £9 per 10 vouchers (no information on time period validity)
Waltham Forest: £8.00 (at £1.00 per hour)
Hackney: £5.30
vs Haringey: £13.20
....unless of course I'm misunderstanding Haringey's policy - only too happy to ne set straight.
(Copied to main post for ease of reference)
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Some of the CPZs run 8am-10pm so even more for them. Or of course if you're in Crouch End it's £2.40.
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Permalink Reply by Rich
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Yea, looking though https://new.haringey.gov.uk/parking/cpzs/all-cpz-hours this change will mainly impact the poorer ends of the Borough, I'd always assumed the CPZ were the same everywhere.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson
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That’s a really good point . Most of the CPZs with longer hours (so requiring more spending on hourly visitor permits) are in the east of borough meaning in effect that the richer west are being subsidised by the poorer east.
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton
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Worse, probably, if we live within easy walking distance of Spurs on match and other event days.
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