Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
St Ann's LTN start date - 22 August
I'm not sure whether this has been shared elsewhere on HOL - can't see it in a search but...
We have recently received a note through our front door that the St Ann's Low Traffic Neighbourhood will be implemented on 22 August.
This is a heads-up for anyone living in or driving through the area between West Green Road and St Ann's Road. There will no longer be a direct route between the two major roads unless you are a bus or have a 'X2' exemption pass.
Woodlands Park Road, Black Boy Lane, Cornwall Road and Avenue Road will all be closed to through traffic.
The restriction points will be monitored by CCTV, so no doubt LBH will be issuing lots of PCNs! Drivers beware!
I attach two documents, one a map of the area showing the traffic cells as they will be after implementation, and the other the supporting document.
Tags for Forum Posts: low traffic neighbourhoods, st anns ltn, traffic
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LTN Doc.pdf, 1.1 MB
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Permalink Reply by AndrewAW1 on
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There were dire warnings that this was a huge issue and votes would go elsewhere because of the proposed LTNs. Obviously this didn't happen.
Once you take into account that well over 50% of households in the area don't have access to a car the pool of outraged residents becomes a lot smaller.
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One man in favour of the petition, one man against.
While on my cycle ride I caught a local LTN advocate ripping down signs on Black Boy Lane ….. the entitled man stated we are lying and congestion evaporates quickly. He does not believe in residents having a voice ….. pic.twitter.com/2lkwV1zwCT
— Ediz (@ediz1975) August 29, 2022
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I think he means the temporary rat run caused by drivers who go up BBL blissfully unaware of the LTN and who are then forced to turn down the only route available in order to return to WGR. I say temporary but until the signage is sorted out, that could be a while yet. Yes, Waze and Google Maps take the LTN into account but lots of localish drivers wouldn't think to use either on a localish journey from, say, Tottenham Hale to St Ann's Hospital.
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Ok. So that should only hapen with 'local' drivers until things bed down.
I must say observing from the top deck of the bus the existnce of the LTN is not made very obvious.
Haringey is quite a poor performer in implementation. In so many things we do get 3rd or 4th rate stuff.
That said, it is not a reason to not try these LTNs and to lower car use and return our neighbourhoods to not being dominated by cars and the traffic.
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JJ, when you say 'return our neighbourhoods to not being dominated by cars and the traffic', do you have a particular date or period in mind? 10 Years ago? 25 years?
It's heretical to state publicly, but there is no more traffic in Haringey now than there was in 1995.
But it all goes down the 'rat-runs' now, right? The most notorious 'rat-run' in the area is probably Wightman Rd. Contrary to the received wisdom of our Councillors and LTN lobby groups, traffic has not increased on Wightman over the past decade.
Let's try to stick to the facts and work in a more equitable way to reduce motor vehicle use in the borough. LTNs, as implemented by the Council, remain based on an absence or misrepresentation of facts, and a self-evident inequity of outcomes.
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Permalink Reply by PeterPiper on
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Chris - re:"there is no more traffic in Haringey now than there was in 1995." evidence please, and, I think this discussion is more about Harringay rather than Haringey.
re:"traffic has not increased on Wightman over the past decade." it would add weight to your opinion is you could support this with evidence.
And, "remain based on an absence or misrepresentation of facts, and a self-evident inequity of outcomes." this is just your opinion isn't it?
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Peter,
There is a dearth of useful timeseries data for any of the wards within Haringey. But I think a measure of miles driven by cars throughout the entire borough is more than sufficient to illustrate the point.
Department for Transport data show that cars/taxis drove 316.4 million miles in the borough during 1995. 24 years later in 2019 (the most recent meaningful data), that figure was 316 million miles. In the meantime, the population of London (not Haringey) had risen by more than 30%.
See the chart below for Wightman Rd data. The final point is not really opinion. There is no or only contradictory data to back the Council's core assertions and justifications for the LTN. And moving traffic from the internal roads to the boundary roads is inherently inequitable. That shouldn't be contentious.
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Oh I am speaking very generallly. At 62 I remember when people just walked more. Plus I've been aware of the damage - noise, fumes, tarmac and more tarmac - car traffic has been inflicting on us since I was a child. The changes will be forced upon us anyway. But we don't listen or learn until it is too late. Sigh.
As a note I live on the access road to a local "cell" and I have already noticed a dramatic drop in thru traffic on my own street since they've put in the hard filter to block off a school street and we don't even have the LTN yet and still have rat runs from Philip Lane to the High Rd.
https://tottenham-summerhillroad.com/old_photographs_of_tottenham.htm
And if I had my way, on the stretch between Seven Sisters & Monument Way, I would return the High road to 2 x 2 lanes with a bus lane in either direction and introduce bi-directional, in situ cycle lanes, that are not on the pavement, so reducing other traffic to one lane only - eliminate the noisy muffler speedsters and reinstate the Broadwalk with its trees, planters and benches, a green space, reclaim the streets for the non-car use. In the above link scroll down to Seven Sisters section and look at the 3rd picture from left how the intersection at Seven Siters rd once was organised. It was called the Broadwalk.
I would also do something similar with the stretch of Seven Sisters rd betweeen Manor House and St Ann's rd. You would be amazed at how this would make our borough less of a traffic transit place and reduce cars coming into London.
Notice how, even when traffic is dense on the A10 between Stoke Newington and Stamford Hill, it still flows constantly albeit slowly. But the wide pavemets and the trees remove the oppression of pedestrians.
Drivers would just avoid the area in general during peak hours too. They already close the High road for football so why not reduce thru put permanently?
We need hard dissuasive measures. People would adapt and we could all become healthier and help to save future generations from the huge damage we have already inflicted on our poor planet.
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Some valid points JJ.
But in your list of suggestions I don't see 'constructing gated idylls of calm and peace so that traffic will be forced onto my neighbours' roads'.
I imagine you are too considerate and sensible to suggest that.
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Permalink Reply by Sarah on
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I started walking a lot more during lockdown. I'm clinically vulnerable and even in the early days of lockdown there were people refusing to wear masks on the bus. So I walked everywhere. Then when I wanted to go further I ran. Then I bought a bike, which expanded my range considerably! But I no longer have an annual travel card (due to riding my bike to work now) so I still walk a lot of journeys I would previously have caught the bus for.
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He is a character. Imagine riding a bike down Black Boy Lane, not seeing a single car, wheeling around without any stress, you can hear yourself speak, and all the while complaining "you can't turn right" "it's disgusting", "I hate this LTN" and so on.
For me, when I use a bike, coming from south of home (I live on Langham Rd) Black Boy Lane has often been the worst part of my journey.
On the bus, (as Ediz would know if he were to ever drive this route), there have always been delays due to the congestion at West Green Rd end, and drivers not letting the bus pass through the narrow section, sometimes it takes 3-4 minutes to get from the bus stop to West Green Rd, so I often get off and walk up Abbotsford Ave and beat the bus.
Thousands of people a day will have easier days, thanks to this bus gate.
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