Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
E- Scooters
News report states they are currently not legal
But notice a growing number in the Borough
My issue is that many I see do not use lights or wear reflective clothing
As reports state they should not be used on Foot ways and have a licence and insurance
As they run quite have seen and herd a few people shouting and hitting their Horns. Only a matter of time before people are injured and killed
Yes aware they are handy , when legal, and green
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Permalink Reply by AndrewAW1 on
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It depends on the bike. Basically if the motor assists when pedalling it's OK, if the motor works independently then it's not. (There are further rules about power, etc but if you see someone riding along without pedalling then it's probably not allowed).
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Speeding's illegal too. And look at enforcement rates on that. Versus non-legal e-scooters. Also e-bikes capable of more than 15 mph on electric power only are illegal, but I've seen them widely, even on Oxford Street where you'd expect the Met Police to have a presence.
And I saw a mountain bike souped up with an add-on petrol engine zooming across Sainsbury's car park a few months ago. What?
Also, riders without driving licences can't get points, though can be fined. A good way of staying under the radar, particularly if using these devices for street crime or drugs deliveries.
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Permalink Reply by Richard Matz on
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Met Police Guidance on the use of E-Scooters
To my knowledge there is currently no way private individuals can insure e-scooters for use on public highways. The cities that are trialling them for rental will require a driving licence and will be insured by the rental companies. The Law needs to catch up as they would be a great boon to those with limited mobility, and be more environmentally friendly as well. Regulation would need to increase lights/visibility & use of helmets, also to crack down on their reckless and illegal use on pedestrian pavements.
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Permalink Reply by Bob Ruggles on
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Also under stand that the Rented ones have All time lights Front and Back
Majority of the ones seen in Haringey have not Lights either end
And have seen them on pavements and in road and go through red lights
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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You can’t be insured to carry out an illegal activity
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Feels to me that legislation is way behind the curve on this. People are using them. So by saying they're illegal you've lost any further conversation. Used well they're a helpful solution to traffic congestion. They should be made legal, with simple clear rules that makes enforcement (for the few police with sufficient time and speed) easy. Legal, road only. Helmet, lights and high viz mandatory.
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It's amazing the amount of misinformation regarding these scooters which passes as fact.
They cannot be used in the UK both on pavement and roads legally. Saying that, at present law enforcement has been very thin and I believe the Met Police policy is to not enforce, UNLESS, there are clear reasons to do so. For instance reckless riding, ignoring traffic signals, lights, and markings. Dangerous use on footpaths and pavements.
The consensus is that if ridden responsibly there is no reason to intervene, which until the law catches up seems like a common sense compromise. I do believe the situation is under review, as the benefits of being able to use these vehicles lawfully has a strong argument. As well as being available to hire in many major cities around the world, thus proving they can be safe, and a useful addition in the fight against pollution and congestion.
In regards to lighting, this kept cropping up in the the comments here, but as far as I know, it's almost impossible to purchase one of these electric scooters that does not come equipped with both front and rear lighting and dare say do a search for yourself, see if you can even find one to buy without lighting. You won't find one. I was considering buying one for my daily commute into central London and spent quite a bit of time searching through the various models available.
Helmets and high visibility clothing. Again the comments here are so confusing, cyclists are not subjected to such high handed comments about what equipment they should be enforced to use. Cycle helmets can be a good idea, but there are some reports that has produced data that shows they can be counter productive and slightly more dangerous than not wearing one. The bottom line is the choice is with the rider, why should it be any different for a scooter user?
Hi Vis clothing is always a good idea but I don't see many people taking as much time and effort to castigate cyclists who don't wear it. As of now it's a personal a choice, why should it be any different for scooter users? (If I rode an electric scooter I would wear high visibility clothing and wear a helmet)
My last point is there seems to be a high level of hypocrisy in regards to electric scooters. Daily we see cyclists, riding on pavements, ignoring traffic lights, and riding at night with either no lighting or totally inadequate or poorly placed lights but dare to mention this and the anti car brigade deep dive into there cache of whataboutery, and bring up motor vehicle statistics on death, speeding, and legality totally ignoring the point being made.If we are going to demonise the electric scooter user, then I feel all road users should expect the same scrutiny and criticism.
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