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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

The house on the left hand side called Coleville after the Cole Potteries at Bruce Grove, 630 Green Lanes.

I lived there from 1951 until 1965.

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Comment by Hugh on December 31, 2022 at 16:02

Are you sure about the name link, Caroline? I see that the neighbouring house was Ferndale. Both names seem pretty much out of the Victorian house names books to me. I can't think why someone would name a house after a nearby business, unless they owned the business. Are you saying the Coles built the houes? I wonder why 628 didn't get a name linked to the potteries too?

Comment by Caroline Moon on December 31, 2022 at 17:03

Yes, I know what you mean Hugh. I made the assumption myself with the Cole Potteries being nearby. As you say the attached house was called Ferndale which doesn’t have a connection to anything local. I believe the houses were Edwardian as neither appear on the 1901 census. I believe from memory the house was occupied by a Doctor + family + domestic help. There were two attic bedrooms. At one time I shared one of these rooms with my cousin as a bedroom.

I must look at the census again. It would be interesting to know who built the houses.

Comment by Hugh on December 31, 2022 at 17:26

I happen to have the censuses for that stretch on hand as a result of another piece I've been half-way through for too long now. The houses show in the 1891 but not 81. So we might safely assume they were built in the 1880s. You might find the builder through the land registry reccords (£3.00 a pop). It's a bit of a lucky-dip. The records don't always include the earliest owners, but it's not unusual to find a sale or lease from the builder to the first owner or tenant.

Comment by Caroline Moon on January 1, 2023 at 7:49

Thank you for that information Hugh, I have never been able to find anything for the house earlier than 1911. I did have a map for the area somewhere but will ask a friend who is keen on maps to have a look through his collection.

The £3.00 might be worth spending to try and reveal a bit more about the house.

Happy New Year and Thank you for managing such a lovely site and keeping the old memories alive.

Comment by Caroline Moon on January 1, 2023 at 18:28

After much searching I have found ‘Coleville’ in the 1891 census. Strangely, or maybe not the number is different. It is called Coleville House Nd Fernville is next door.

Comment by Hugh on January 1, 2023 at 19:54

The number you see in the left hand column is the record number, rather than the house number.

By the time William Philllips was living in your house, he was a commercial traveller in the 'metals trade'. Before moving to Harringay, he and Agnes had lived in Myddleton Road on the Campsbourne Estate, an area of small working class houses built up in the years after 1867, to the north of Hornsey High Street. Living with then were Agnes's elderly parents and a cousin. At that time, William was an ironmonger. Both William and Agnes had grown up in Bayswater in Methodist families. His father was a grocer; hers was a builder. The move to Coleville was a real climb up the ladder for the couple. I wonder if Agnes's builder father had made a bit of money which he'd bequeathed them, so enabling their move to Harringay. Or, did dad build the house? He was 67 in 1881, but could have had a team of men do most of the work. (Should you ever get round to accessing the deeds on LR, his name was Beardon). By 1911, William was 62 and he'd retired and moved with Agnes to Rayleigh, Essex. They appear never to have had children.

You may be interested to learn that at the time they married, in 1873, both were living in Colville (sic) Road, Bayswater.

Comment by Caroline Moon on January 1, 2023 at 20:58

Thank you for all the information, makes interesting reading.

Will let you know what the Land Registry records reveal.

Glad the number of house mystery has been sorted out. I wondered what was going on.

Comment by Hugh on January 1, 2023 at 22:11

More than that, it gives you the provenance of the house name. 

Comment by Caroline Moon on January 2, 2023 at 1:15

I did have a small thought with the Ferndale /Col (e)Villegas connection and Bayswater.

Both names seem to feature in the area, roads and schools. It’s probably a coincidence, but I wondered.

Comment by Hugh on January 2, 2023 at 1:55

Well Colville for sure. As I said, both Phillip and Agnes were living in Colville Road when they got married. Naming a house after your place of origin was common. I’d say there’s little doubt that’s where the Coleville name came from (although it could have just been coincidence, or they saw the house, its name and felt it was fated for them to live there). Given that they were probably its first occupants, I’d say there’s a fair chance that they had a hand in naming it. As to Ferndale, I’ve no idea, but it was quite a common house name. 

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