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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

Interesting for several things, including:

  • Duckett's Common - called Duckett's Green and shown as one entity along with the bit of green on the east of the road.
  • Still empty spaces along the eastern side of Green Lanes Between Salisbury Road and West Green Road.
  • And look at the lovely big villas along Seven Sisters Road to the east of Finsbury Park - half of them on the north side with gardens running right down to the river.

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Tags (All lower case. Use " " for multiple word tags): historical map, map, st ann's railway tunnels
Albums: Old Harringay Maps & Plans (Historical)

Comment by Colinloves on May 7, 2013 at 18:38

There was a few houses (3) on chestnuts park, if I remember correct.  But got took down over 100 years ago

Comment by Gina O on May 7, 2013 at 20:26

(Can't see how to reply to individual post)

" I agree with previous posts in that this mapmaker's job is just to sell maps for a profit & not to accurately record every spec builders development. Hope this helps?"

That may explain why some houses are missing, but it doesn't explain the detail on St Ann's Hospital. They have drawn in every building on one side and on the other side they have indicated parkland (think of the expense of green ink!) as well as a pond and paths and some writing that I can't make out. I think the discrepancy must be that the map is either a little older than 1902 or that the 1901 architect's plans took a while to come to fruition.

Hugh- do you have any idea what the circle on the railway track in the middle of the green bit of the hospital signifies?

Comment by Hugh on May 7, 2013 at 22:05

Gina, yes, the circle is the 'O' in Tottenham.

Comment by Gina O on May 7, 2013 at 22:51

Ah yes, I see it now

Comment by Colinloves on May 7, 2013 at 23:29

That 1896 coin could of still been used in the 50's and 60's.
Coins back then stayed in circulation for a long time, unlike today.

Comment by Gerry N on May 8, 2013 at 17:33

To Gina O,  I had a quick read of  http://www.workhouses.org.uk/MAB-NEFever/

If it was an isolation fever hospital, even an Ordnance Survey mapmaker would be unlikely ( & v foolish) to make any new survey of the hospital & grounds? & private mapmakers even less likely! They would simply not be allowed in ! Isolation means just that, especially in scarlet fever epidemics.

As it has now, I assume the St Ann's hospital site may have had a very high wall surrounding it too. So using 15 or 20 year old info ( wrongly showing lakes & footpaths) is justified by map firm in this case.

Re private developers, We assume they built or marked out roads, plots and perhaps a single "showhouse" Any victorian builder would only build the other houses when absolutely certain of selling them. Terraces etc may come to a sudden abrupt end. Some plots remained empty to the 1920's/1930's - explaining the different styles & constructions. A mapmaker in 1880/1900 would have problems on deciding whether the roads/houses are ever going to be completed ! Great deal of guesswork would be involved all round.

Comment by Gerry N on May 10, 2013 at 14:36

http://www.harringayonline.com/photo/harringay-1896/next?context=al...  This earlier map is interesting. I fully agree with StephenBin's 2009 comment on this map. The 2 rail bridges/tunnels between Green Lanes and Hermitage Rd were built as agricultural crosings, as the railway constuction had severed farming fields. This is also the definition of an "Occupational Bridge" marked on the large scale map on p2.

Later one of the bridges being used by the St Ann's Fever Hosp to access the Arena "Rec Gardens"

Note also the "lake or pond" off St Ann's Rd, is later incorporated into the 1900? map as being inside Hospital grounds.

Comment by Hugh on October 30, 2014 at 1:01

The Stadium, just to the west of the plot in question was opened in 1927. Presumably, there was a transfer of ownership of the potteries land in the few years before that date. If you look at this aerial photo of 1930, it looks like the St Ann's Recreation ground (just to the east of the Stadium) may already be home to some factories, or perhaps the factories we can see of just to the south of the recreation ground. This 1920 map, however, shows it still as parkland. If my observations are correct, it may be that the recreation ground was part and parcel of the land lot which was home to the potteries and was leased to the hospital. On the sale of the potteries land, it was sold on by the purchaser as excess to requirements. 

This 1940 Map seems to show that building had started by that date and certainly it had done by the time this 1954 Ordnance Survey map was published.

Comment by Hugh on October 30, 2014 at 1:59

Having written what I did above about the plot being part and parcel of the potteries plot, I just took a look at the 1863-69 map, showing that it was originally a different plot. So it's 1920s/30s transfer may just have been coincidental to the potteries sale, or perhaps the land plots were reconstituted at some point after the railway was established.

Comment by Richard Woods on September 15, 2015 at 12:44

Only just found this one - it seems to show that Green Lanes went to the north side of Ducketts Green (contiguous with West Green Pleasance)  so up Frobisher and then along Willoughby as they now are. This would give the old Queens Head a very strong coaching inn position.

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