at some point. So you would still have congestion on Green Lanes plus vehicles backing up on Ladder Roads, probably back to Wightman.
I've also read posts from people about how long buses are taking to go along Green Lanes. I saw an old thread recently where someone was remarking how it had taken them 40 minutes on the 141 from Clissold Park to The Salisbury. They posted that remark last year. If you go back through posts on here you'll find ones, some from several years ago, where people are talking about abandoning their cars in the Sainsburys car park because they simply couldn't get out.. I think there is a bit of forgetting how dreadful the congestion has been on Green Lanes for years…
a car park will make little difference as the traffic jam often extends back into Sainsburys car park (and then snakes around in that too!). It's a bunkum idea. The box junction keeping the entrance to Arena car park clear is rarely breached, and vehicles are rarely impeded on their way in to either car parks. Vehicles driving into either car park rarely impeded those exiting the complex. The problem is solely that of shifting exiting vehicles from the complex enmass. The phase timing of the lights at the Williamson and Green Lanes junction, along with the lights at Green Lanes junctions north and south of that junction are KEY to solving the problem by making sure that traffic is allowed to feed forward along Green Lanes ahead of the junction more (in both directions), while more vehicles (than currently) are held back leading up to the junction, resulting in more vehicles being able to escape the complex on each change of the lights. This would be the only way...THE ONLY WAY to thoroughly solve the problem. Messing about with the structure of the complex itself is pointless; you have to have somewhere for those exiting vehicles to go. And Green Lanes is the only place they can go, so space needs to be made for them.
But it would be some major work needed in observation of the all the junctions in the area to retime the lights slightly to have that effect. But there'e experts out there to do that. Haringey's engineers should concentrate with just that.…
ey to this is going to try to be able to see this from all perspectives. Karen is right why should Ladder residents suffer a diminished quality of life so as to facilitate others having an easier car journey. Equally, we all need to be able to move through our own community. The reality is we (collectively) have become used to the fact that Wightman acts as a Green Lanes relief route. It was never, nor is it now, appropriate for such use, so we need to actually get back to fundamentals and realise Wightman is not an arterial route.
This means we (collectively) have to make different decision about how we use cars. Some folks need to use their vehicles, but a lot of us do not- and I include myself in this, and I have changed my behaviour accordingly. I cannot remember the last time I went to Sainsbury in the car, I cycle to football on Mondays instead of take the car.
That said, I believe it was John McMullan that first highlighted the fact that some of the issues with traffic flow are being affected by the infrastructure we have in certain places- ie, traffic lights that cannot physically be made to allow longer periods for certain lights, thus limiting the amount of cars turning out of Turnpike Lane for example. So, technology and design play a part here too.…
shortlist document is Cable Street - one-way traffic, two-way cycle lane (Cable Street is part of Cycle Superhighway 3), full-width pavements (so no pavement parking), parking restricted to one side. Here's a screenshot from a youtube video of Cable Street:
Full-width pavements and a cycle path certainly meet some key objectives of the transport study. But, apart from the fact that building safe, properly segregated cycle paths is pretty expensive (so, will the council actually do it properly or just put some paint on the road?), it's a fail on other key objectives because sooner or later the one-way system will just induce even more traffic onto Wightman, particularly given the scale of local building developments (e.g. new flats at Hornsey Station, new flats and a Sainsburys superstore on Hornsey High Street, hundreds of new flats off Mary Neuner Road and a completely new shopping city in Wood Green).…
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The Hackney council Woodberry Down estate FAQ has this to say;
It is anticipated that the existing level of 1,980 of homes will need to be replaced with 4,300 homes for the project to generate sufficient income to pay for the entire programme. Of this total it is anticipated that at least 50% of the new homes, will have to be sold privately and the other 50% will consist of affordable and social housing including social rented, key worker.
More FAQ here, although answers appear out-o-date.
Mention of the demolition of Woodberry Down estate was made in this week's LSCP mtg, so this project must have been delayed for 4 years and only really kicking off in 2008.
History: In 1934, despite powerful opposition, the London County Council compulsorily purchased all of Woodberry Down and the construction of an ‘estate of the future’ began after the war. 57 blocks of flats were erected on 64 acres of land and the project was completed in 1962. More.…
ousing and a supermarket after initial proposals were approved last week (February 12) by Haringey Council’s Cabinet.
The deal between the council, St James Homes and Sainsbury’s will see land currently owned by the council and Sainsbury’s sold for development – regenerating a long-dilapidated site and delivering hundreds of new homes.
Almost half of all homes built at the site will be affordable, and any proposed development will offer both rental and low cost home ownership to help local families get on the housing ladder.
Cash generated from the sale of the land will be ploughed back into other regeneration projects across Haringey to boost economic growth.
Highlights of the development, subject to a planning application being submitted and approved, will include:
Hundreds of new homes – including 42 per cent affordable – many with three of four bedrooms making them suitable for families
A new supermarket and a smaller shop, bringing new jobs to the area and boosting economic growth
The land will be developed by St James Group Ltd. Subject to planning permission, St James Group are expected to be on site by April 2014.
Local residents will be fully consulted once more detailed plans are drawn up, and the developer will be required to carry out assessments of the impact on other businesses and traffic.
The site includes an old council vehicle depot, offices, the old Hornsey Coroners Court and former warehouses, which have long been unused.…
About 2 years ago they redesigned the layout of the entry & exit for vehicles, I guess to reduce congestion. About a year before this I spoke to one of the managers about the hazards for cyclists; nothing was done in the re-design.
A cyclist taking the road into Sainsbury's has to cross a rough surface of bricks (between the petrol station & the zebra crossing), this is niether comfortable nor good for the bike. The vast majority of cyclists avoid this & cut onto the pavement just after the petrol station; and exit by the same route. This is an accident waiting to happen, on entry the manouver has to be adjusted with consideration to pedestrians, at the exit it means crossing the traffic leaving the garage as well as giving priority to pedestrians. It would have cost relatively little to have formalised this route with road markings etc. I can only conclude that my feedback was ignored when the area was re-designed.…
trip to Sainsbury's at 2pm on the Wireless Friday afternoon last year!! It was crazy and out of character for a normal Friday. For the record I'm in favour of events (I worked in events and project management for 30 years) and use of Finsbury Park. However I was thrown by the images of damage to the Park and potential added congestion to the area. I have an open mind and was interested to read Tris's reply on the importance of Finsbury Park event income. I guess a key question is how irreparable is the damage caused by these large scale events and what is the cost of making good? It would be good to have the budget line for that as well or is that covered within the 'contribution to the maintenance and running costs of the park'? I'd also be interested to see a statement from the Parks Department on the Friends issue. From past projects I've done I know Park Departments are skilled, extremely committed and in my experience will not agree with anything that will cause damage or compromise health and safety.…
rk on the line (1989), the steps to/from the down (No.2 Eastbound) platform had been removed and access from both sides of the line fenced off.
The bricked up arch I was referring to is at the Green Lanes station entrance. Before the entrance off the street (where the current staff cabin is) was created in the early 2000s, the only entrance was the other side of the line (up side or westbound) and the small brick arched subway allowed passengers to reach the down (eastbound) platform.
As Hugh states, the only really likely reason for the plaque is to commemorate the completion of a major stage of the stadium/arena redevelopment or the entire project. I do tend to think it was erected after Sainsbury's but before McDonald's because the latter obscures it from general view.
Finally, the path along part of the Ally Pally branch is called the Parkland Walk, not the New River Walk and is a long way from Green Lanes.
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was clearly red, the lorry wasn't going particularly fast but the man stepped into the road when the lorry was only a few feet away from him, meaning the driver has no chance of avoiding him. Unfortunately it was probably just a momentary lapse in concentration, when you are thinking about everything else in the world except crossing safely. I imagine the driver is feeling pretty awful about what happened as well.
It does pose questions about how people move across Green Lanes. The only time I'm ever in a car is the weekly taxi back from Sainsburys and it's scary the number of people who dart into the road rather than walk to the nearest crossing (and yes, I've done the same). I saw an incident just before the new year when someone walked through stationary traffic but didn't check to see a bike coming down on the inside. The pedestrian got a hard bang and the cyclist ended up down on the road. Not sure what can be done though.…