lution suggested by myself or anyone else will have at least some obvious inconvenience for at least some people. But they are all better than the previous status quo, which was seriously unhealthy and inequitable, and will only get worse unless we all make some fairly radical changes.
Your solutions seem biased towards the Ladder / Wightman Road. The previous status quo was more equitable than the current situation, which has dumped a lot of extra traffic onto Green Lanes.
The way I see it, as a long term resident, is that the current traffic problems on Green Lanes are mainly down to
1) The popularity of Arena (w.r.t. visitors coming by car), and the nightmare of that junction.
Solution-> Reduce car park availability in the main car park, perhaps even convert it into a market with stalls. It seems Sainsburys will become housing in the near future.
2) The current closure of Wightman Road.
Solution-> This will solve itself on September 1st. So far no-one has come up with a solution the majority agree on, in terms of reducing traffic on that road.
3) The Salisbury road junction and traffic lights.
Solution-> Make Warham road one way Eastbound. Enforce a left turn out of Salisbury Road and remove the traffic lights.
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ffic - making a 20mph limit a pushover. Besides I'm a little tired walking down Mattison or Warham to catch a bus.
Ruth, the W5 was never meant to be a fast spaceship for escaping to the delights of Crouch End. It's a leisurely meandering wanderly sort of wagon for Harringayites and Harringaystationers attending schools (four secondaries, a few primaries), hospital, Archway tube, Highgate and, yes, Crouch End bookshops and cafes, Sainsbury's for those not fortunate enough to live in Harringay . In short, a godsend (if I may invoke the deity) which reaches corners of Haringey other buses disdain to touch.…
ible. I've got to get to crouch end tommorow morning any suggestions which way to go from Lausanne road ?
I'm still not clear which bridge it is , as cars were coming under the large bridge opposite Turnpike Lane , which is the bridge I thought they were repairing ?
Can I turn right out of Lausanne road and go towards back of shopping city and go over ally pally to get to crouch end ?
The cars have been zooming up Lausanne road all day this is going to be a noisy summer !
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street festival on Green Lanes.
(2) Re-development of Fairland Park begins in January.
(3) A consultation for a 20mph zone along Wightman Rd has been promised, with £100,000 in the pot and application into TfL to double that for improvements.
(4) A consultation has just happened for improvements to Ducketts Common.
(5) Even the lights out of Sainsbury's seem to be working better regards conjestion.
The political parties at local level are busy pulling together their manifestos for the May 2010 local elections.
What's our wish list for further improvements for our area?
Or maybe we're happy as we are ....
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Sainsbury's and St. James to develop the big vacant site off Hornsey High Street.
Some observers had expected that, after a ritual show of concerns by councillors, it would be voted through, so this came as a surprise. It was clear that all councillors had at least some reservations.
Had the chairman (Labour) allowed the former Mayor to speak for a reasonable time, I—and I suspect others—would like to have heard more from Cllr. David Browne (also Labour), who has previously asked informed and excellent questions in connection with management at Children's Services.
St. James is famous for their New River development. Haringey officers said the drainage problems there were a "management issue" and that the managers were "looking to address" the problems. (I think the address of the stinking problem has been known for a while).
Although many objections were heard, I'm not sure mention was made of the likely impact of supermarket traffic up and down currently quiet Hillfield Road, opposite the proposed development, a road that is steep, narrow and winding.
Planning 'officers' might reflect more credit on themselves if they ceased to use and defend such peculiar terms as "over-trading" (to describe business in Crouch End that is expected to suffer from a Sainsburys mega-store) and to describe the decades-old view from the High Street through to Alexandra Palace as "accidental".
I remember that Haringey's esteemed planning department coined the term "Memory boxes" that are planned for Wards Corner, as a substitute for the actual building.
IMO, a better scheme ought to be possible on this huge site, partly owned by the council.…
Added by Clive Carter at 23:19 on January 20, 2014
will continue to use everything in its statutory powers to work to resolve this situation. The use of the council's exceptional powers of compulsory acquisition has not been ruled out"
I took that to mean something like:
It's a private issue which Sainsbury's and Wildmoor need to sort out themselves. It's beyond our statutory powers. If there were something we could use our powers for we would and ultimately we might even use compulsory acquisition".
I'd say at best it's an ill-considered quote. At worst this is a political game of blame shifting. Whatever the case, I would welcome a statement from the Council which confirms that they are actively and aggressively involved in what you sensibly describe as entirely appropriate 'brokering' of an access/traffic agreement among private businesses and landowners.
This is pretty much two years down the line, Alan. I'm not hearing any sense of urgency or determination to get the thing fixed. If I've misinterpreted what's been said, then please let the appropriate person correct me and explain exactly what the Council is doing. I'd be the first to applaud their actions - as I have done with a good number of other officers and members.…
weekly shop. Left Saiinsbury's at 9.30pm. No queue at the check out, no queue to get out onto Green Lanes but slower than usual to get back to our turning (Allison). Home by 9.45pm.
Earlier in the day, about 1pm I had driven to the Sunshine Garden Centre to collect some fencing. I went via Wood Green to cross the railway near Ally Pally station. This took about 5 minutes longer than usual. The return journey was difficult along Station Road and because of the no right turn onto Green Lanes but otherwise the traffic seemed pretty normal.
We are very hesitant to use the car at all except during such off-peak hours and we try to avoid Priory Road and Turnpike Lane entirely. I am told also that the road over Ally Pally is often nose to tail.
Thanks to Hugh's suggestion, I find a look at Google's traffic map is helpful. Today it showed that the easiest way from the ladder to the north circular was Green Lanes, West Green Road, Belmont Road, Downhills Way, The Roundway, A10 - only a slight variation on my normal route but avoiding crawling traffic on Westbury Avenue.…
and “non-local” traffic (which is never actually defined) and b) that residents all need to be discouraged from using their cars at all costs or made to find it so inconvenient they’ll give up. Unfortunately, existing infrastructure and services simply aren’t built with this in mind — you find you can’t get the items you need without going to a shopping centre specifically designed for car drivers, while many other services are either inaccessible by public transport (eg the recycling centre) or difficult to use without a car (eg a weekly family shop from Sainsbury’s in GL). So, is car access to any of these permissable as “local traffic”, or impermissable, as “non-local”, for, say, St Ann’s residents?
Yes, ideally we’d all have all the goods and services we need within a short walk or bus ride, but in reality people need to travel. Until there are wide-scale and major changes in provision and location of shops and service companies, with public transport under constant threat and increased congestion and pollution as a result of “boundary road” traffic increasing, online shopping increasing the number of delivery vehicles, and councils failing to take action on forcing “last mile” and service vehicles to go electric, the current LTN restrictions are not the solution. …
ll be at the back of the car park onto Finsbury Park Avenue. Cars will therefore exit to Green Lanes via Hermitage Road. Both Finsbury Park Avenue and Hermitage Road are narrow residential roads with traffic lights at Green Lanes allowing just three cars to through every few minutes. The council have given temporary permission and it will begin this week. Imagine my joy at this news, as I live off Hermitage Road and now the punch ups will be in my very own street. There is however a bright side, I can make some cash by filming them and sending it to Police Camera Action…
get to, there was much more contact with people by having a stall at the Harringay Festival.
Go where the people are, not wait for them to come to you. If you are in the street or the Harringay Passage, outside schools, the post office, pubs, outside shops (inside shops?) and supermarkets, you will catch more people. I recall that a consultation over use of the New River had a stall at Sainsbury's and caught me that way - at that stage of my life I'd never have gone to a meeting about it- imagine how round tables about traffic would get attention if they were held on the corner of Lothair opposite the grid lock on a Saturday afternoon!…