Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
The W1 Bus
This is my proposal for a 'W1' bus route which would be a sort of shoppers bus between Morrison's carpark in Wood Green and the Waitrose carpark in Holloway Rd, here.
Coming back it would have to come out onto Holloway Rd itself to come back up Seven Sisters (via the Odeon!)
I see that TfL have done busses like this before in Walthamstow and I think we could have something very similar.
I think we should go for an hourly service running every day of the week between approximately 9.30am and 3pm, similar to the Walthamstow bus.
I was wondering if coming back (or every second bus or something) it could elongate its route into Campsbourne which is in desperate need of a bus.
I know that some people were dreaming about it being a viable way to get from Harringay Station to halfway down the ladder etc but I really don't think that a service that regular is going to get off the ground and... baby steps.
The online petition can be signed here, please spread it around!
http://www.gopetition.co.uk/online/27185.html
Coming back it would have to come out onto Holloway Rd itself to come back up Seven Sisters (via the Odeon!)
I see that TfL have done busses like this before in Walthamstow and I think we could have something very similar.
I think we should go for an hourly service running every day of the week between approximately 9.30am and 3pm, similar to the Walthamstow bus.
I was wondering if coming back (or every second bus or something) it could elongate its route into Campsbourne which is in desperate need of a bus.
I know that some people were dreaming about it being a viable way to get from Harringay Station to halfway down the ladder etc but I really don't think that a service that regular is going to get off the ground and... baby steps.
The online petition can be signed here, please spread it around!
http://www.gopetition.co.uk/online/27185.html
Tags for Forum Posts: W1 Bus, Wightman Road, buses, morrisons, public transport, tfl, w1, waitrose
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Old-Age-Emporium(OAE) on
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John, I thought we were going to have more focused discussion of the details of the proposed route and timetable for the 'W1' before going to an online petition.
I can only say I'm greatly disappointed, whatever you my say of 'baby steps'. I'd have thought a bus every 30 mins would be a minimum, even if this would require four vehicles rather than a basic two. The Metrolink W5, for example, runs every 15 mins or more frequently during morning/evening peaks and about every 20 mins throughout off-peak hours.
Restricting the 'W1' to being a shopping bus only between 9.30 and 3pm reduces the service to little more than a dial-a-ride mobility bus for old dears to use their 'Freedom Pass' without inconveniencing real grown-up passengers. What are we doing? Protecting the road rights of high-speed commuters? Or making a demand for a real bus route for the residents of Wightman Road and many other poorly served roads and estates?
The service should sell itself to a much wider clientele - including commuters via Hornsey and Harringay stations, students of the Harringay Heartlands Community School and even some pupils of N & S Harringay Primaries.
I can't recall anyone dreaming about it being a viable way from Harringay Station to halfway down the Ladder etc unless I missed a post or two. I think David Schmitz did rightly suggest that a convincing door-to-door petition should extend down the rung roads as far as Harringay Passage. I'm sure a HOL online petition should only be a preparatory run-up to a 'real world' petition. None of the six neighbours I spoke to in recent days about a possible bus route are online.
I know that we're going to be shot down on various aspects of this application, and some types of bus may not fit in with future traffic-calming measures, but surely a bolder application would have a better chance of eventually delivering a worthwhile service?
Cheers!
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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OK, let's ignore the petition for now, I was just a little keen to get going and this is definitely a good way to get some progress. I can easily change the petition.
The online petition service has a premium service which I can convince the HoL sustainability group to pay for that will allow us to tie in an offline petition too. It can then also be used by anyone else on HoL to do a petition.
The trouble for me is that you were looking at a bus smaller than the W5 and that IS a mobility bus for old dears. So, what we're after is a W5, a proper service, every 15 minutes. Right? The sacrifice here is that it is a decent sized bus...
I'm afraid my upbringing did not include "negotiation skills" so I am still a person who asks for exactly what I want. Of course the "ask for the world be happy with Kilburn" approach used by the Irish is more successful so let's use that.
Would you like to reword the petition?
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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@Eddie: Am I right in thinking that you believe a smaller bus would more acceptable? - The problem is, smaller vehicles wouldn't make it easy to add the routing on to an existing service..
@John: Are you against the 'W1 routing' being incorporated into one of the 'candidate' routes?
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I am against it being incorporated into one of the other routes. Can't put my finger on exactly why I feel that way but I really don't want to make a joke of a bus route by having it do stupid loops when it doesn't need to.
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@John… I think you're right - I've always said that I think a more local service is better..
TfL have experience in starting up new routes and have probably found that it is easier as well as faster to extend an existing route. A new service would have to be put out to tender etc., etc., and that can take up to 18months - 2 years.
BTW I like your ingenious routing - I think it could work well, although I would like to see the route touch a LU station somewhere..
A more local service would probably work well with vehicles as shown on the R8 above: (@Eddie. only 7.1m!!)
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Plenty of existing routes touch an underground station. You can get to Waitrose from Wood Green (or indeed Turnpike Lane) on the Piccadilly line.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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I'm going to keep mum about the whole idea of having a bus down Wightman.
However, a word on the relative merits of online vs. real world petitions. Eddie, you seem to imply that physical petitions are somehow better. In my opinion the reverse could even be true. We all know that when doorstepped with a petition, people will sign to get you to go away. Petitions signed online are signed because people make a choice to sign.
Let's not forget that most of the petition signatures that stopped the Wood Green SPD traffic reroting to Wightman were online.
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Hugh wrote: I'm going to keep mum about the whole idea of having a bus down Wightman.
With respect, that implies you're against it... surely keeping mum is just that, saying nowt at all..
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I'm also surprised by the petition - of course I support the idea.. and I suppose we have to start somewhere..
However, I'm not sure I agree with the idea of providing just a shoppers service.. What will these expensive new vehicles be doing for the rest of the day and at weekends?
I thought TfL had indicated that they'd prefer to extend an existing service, rather than create a new one with all the legal rigmarole that goes with that..
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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With respect, that implies nothing of the kind. He might have all kinds of reasons for not commenting.
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Of course it does.. that's why I can see you grinning although I'm 1000km away-- He shouldn't have said anything at all... or perhaps just said 'I'm keeping mum..' and I think he's now doing exactly that..!!
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