Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Street enforcement for home business waste
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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I've had a reply from neither the press team nor the department responsible. Sadly getting a reply from the Council is a full-time job I don't have the hours to fulfil.
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Permalink Reply by Bob Ruggles on
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As a Ex Haringey Refuse Enforcement Officer
I am surprised remaining Team have enough time to process such a inspection
This would have been carried out by Council Staff Not Contractors
Although no Longer a Officer - My Team was Budget cut years ago
Still in touch with a few past Associates - who state remaining Officers are so split and multi task
It's a wonder anything get's done
Except Manager / Councillors Projects...........
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I had an email today from Robin Payne, Assistant Director of Enforcement which led to a phone conversation with Veolia-Haringey's very helpful and professional Commercial Waste Manager, Andy Lockhart. Andy provided the low-down on the situation with home-based business waste. I have provided a summary below:
1. Home-based businesses are required by law to dispose of their commercial waste separately to their home waste (Environmental Protection Act, 1990).
2. The cost of a commercial waste agreement with Haringey is likely to be between £40-50 per year.
3. Although Veolia will not be actively looking fro infringements on this issue, you are reminded of the legal position. Obviously, what you do about it is up to you.
4. Veolia will be very actively pursuing any businesses who just dump their rubbish. Prosecutions are likely to result.
Here's a line or two from Robin Payne's email which suggests that the focus is very much on preventing dumping of any sort:
Where we find dumping the sanction will depend on the circumstances, but for a black bag of waste a fixed penalty notice is likely for a first offence. Where the contents are trade waste the offence may be different but the offence may result in an FPN or a prosection. Certainly every high street trader should know what their legal responsibilities are and can expect to be prosecuted if they operate without any trade waste contract.
The outcomes will largely depend on the circumstances, and for a small quantity of trade waste mixed within domestic waste we will advise on the need for trade waste arrangements, but the dumping will normally result in an FPN. We will always try to keep the outcome proportionate to the offence and where mitigating circumstances arise we will have regard to these.
The service is not routinely checking domestic waste that has been placed correctly for collection to see if it contains trade waste. We may act on intelligence, but in most cases we will be investigating waste because of a dumping offence.
The advice for those that create trade waste is that must not place it in the normal domestic waste stream. This is an offence and it increases the cost of our domestic waste collection and disposal, and therefore the cost to residents.
Following the conversation with Andy I had some additional key words to arm my Google search and came up with the following two links from the business link website:
If you'd like to find out any more or enquire about a commercial waste agreement, call Haringey-Veolia on 8885 7770 or email them at enquiries.haringey@veolia.co.uk
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Permalink Reply by pamish on
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So does 'placing trade waste in the domestic waste stream', mean that cardboard, cans and the like should not be sorted into the R/C pile? This is ridiculous. I thought we were now meant to look on recyclable goods as a resource, not a nuisance. A drink can is worth 2p of aluminium, to start with.
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Not sure. Ask Veolia. I wouldn't mind betting that there is a recyclable trade waste stream also. Remember this is national law, not Haringey policy.
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Permalink Reply by Nilgun Canver on
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Having all said the above, clearly common sense must prevail. A small amount of business correspondence would/may not be noticed but where a business is clearly abusing the system, using black domestic bin bags to dispose of business waste, then officers/contractor would take action.
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Thanks Nilgun. That's helpful. I think a bit of judicious reading between the lines is very much in order.
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Permalink Reply by Anette on
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Tell the council to deal with the real issues around here and stop picking on people who actually contribute to this society in a positive way. This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard! You work hard, behave and make a tiny mistake, they're all over you. But you if you are blatantly taking liberties right left and centre you are protected, and the council won't touch you. Smileygirl, kick up a fuss, this is so unfair it's not even true!
They can pick on you once they've deal with the real culprits. You should be way way way down that particular pecking order.
What's happened to the fly tippers at the bottom of Seymour Road? I have seen them dump their rubbish on the corner, and have been complaining for moths. Precisely NOTHING. Because they're foreign, and it's too much trouble getting them to understand that this is illegal. Maybe you should say you're foreign and don't understand what they're on about.. seems to do the trick for a few others...
..and before any of the PC brigade jumps on me: I'm foreign too, I've just bothered to learn the language.
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