So how has Haringey Council done with the roads?

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Permalink Reply by Gerry Platt on February 5, 2012 at 8:53

I think the priority is correct:

http://www.harringayonline.com/xn/detail/844301%3ATopic%3A339157

Pavements are more essential than roads!

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Permalink Reply by ElleCarumba on February 5, 2012 at 10:43

Grit seemed to have failed to have enough of an impact of Green Lanes, along side the park.

Coming home at 1am last night, there were big problems on Green Lanes from Manor House to Harringay Green Lanes. Two buses and a Sainsburys lorry had given up and been abandoned but due to the ice, it was very difficult for other vehicles to manouvere around them. Long tailbacks.

Even though the slope here is very slight, it looked like many vehicles were struggling to get any purchase on it, especially the big vehicles like buses.

An exuberant group of Spaniards were helping to push the cars that were stuck around the buses

Also seemed to have been a head on (very slow speed) bump on Endymion.

The 29s appeared to have stop running but a very skilled 341 driver managed to make it down from Manor House - the road was fairly clearly from Harringay Green Lanes onward.

Part of the problem is that so many people seem to have no idea how to drive on ice and just gun their engines madly and slide around. (PS I have never driven on ice and barring having to deliver someone to A&E, I wouldn't even try).

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Permalink Reply by David Browne on February 5, 2012 at 11:27

I had been given to understand that the Council and Veolia workers had reacted swiftly to weather forecasts and put down grit according to plan and priorities. If this is not so, please let me know and I will then take the matter up. Be specific about what should have been done in the circumstances. 

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Permalink Reply by WightmanPaul on February 5, 2012 at 13:23

Single file road works - gas distribution - at junction of Wightman/Burgoyne causing vehicles to stop then couldn't get traction over raised platform.  At least one vehicle got rear ended - 4x4 flashed headlights and drove into back of Nissan Micra which didn't move.  Why the Gas Distribution Company had to have a hole open for over a week then put in single lane traffic on a Friday with snow forecast and no attempt to finish the job on the Saturday heaven only knows.  Does the Council have to issue a permission?  There were similar problems with vehicles losing traction at this point - stopping for traffic lights -last year.  No grit bins South of Pemberton, no grit bit on Station Approach where the Road is steep and the grit could be used at the Wightman/Burgoyne junction, and where pavement footfall is obviously high.  No pavement gritting of this area prior to snow.

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Permalink Reply by GillianM on February 5, 2012 at 12:25

Very impressed with the work on the pavements this morning, good to see so many council employees out with grit and shovels. Well done Haringey!

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Permalink Reply by Justin Johnson on February 5, 2012 at 13:06

If everyone got a shovel and cleared the pavement and the road outside their own house, the borough would be clear.  I cleared mine this morning and my neighbour's (an old lady who's not very able) and it took about 20 minutes.  In Canada you'd be fined by your local authority for not clearing the pavement outside your house and they have way more snow than we do.  Come on people.  Stop whining about the council and step up!

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Permalink Reply by Hugh on February 5, 2012 at 15:56

Yes, I just saw the Veolia crew on Mattison:

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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on February 5, 2012 at 20:22

I'm sorry but should the shopkeepers not be clearing their own footpaths?

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Permalink Reply by Karen Alexander on February 5, 2012 at 15:59

I am not sure if some of the roads and pavements were just not gritted or the grit was put down too early.  Apparently the pavement on Wightman Road were gritted but the snow just laid on top and they are as icey (and will become just a treacherous as they were last time) as the temperature drops tonight.  Ladder roads also very slippery and icey but I suspect they weren't gritted.  Same with roads, last night I drove back through the Hackney section of Green Lanes and that certainly wasn't gritted at 8pm and the illusion was that the Haringey section of Green Lanes, Endymion Road and Wightman Roads weren't either judging by the amount of snow laying on them.  Perhaps I don't completely understand how the grit is supposed to work but I thought it was meant to prevent the snow from settling!

The pavements on the ladder will now be treacherous for a few days until everything thaws.  Some of us cleared sections of the Harringay Passage earlier today so that is now possibly the clearest route.

Good to hear that Veolia are out sweeping snow today.

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on February 5, 2012 at 18:10

By all means ask critical questions, Karen. That's what an opposition party is for.

But wouldn't it also be nice if you spared just a few kind words for all the people who've been out working on our behalf - ranging from shovelling and gritting roads; to keeping other services going?

A woman from Sodexo delivering meals on wheels joked that she'd have preferred to stay in bed, but knew how many residents relied on her. She'd stopped in the middle of the road in case it was too icy to manoeuvre out of a parking space.

(Tottenham Hale ward councillor)

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Permalink Reply by John D on February 5, 2012 at 19:06

That's unfair Alan.

There's a difference between expressing gratitude and sympathy for the people who actually have to get out and do the gritting/shovelling and commenting on the performance of the managers who decide when, how and where the work is to be done.

I've just walked 100 yards up and down Wightman Road and the pavements are extremely treacherous. And apparently they won't be safe again until they thaw naturally.

Perhaps the party in power should be asking critical questions too - or are you just point scoring ?

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Permalink Reply by WightmanPaul on February 5, 2012 at 18:58

There was no evidence of gritting the pavement on the section of pavement outside us on Wightman.  We cleared it at 10pm and salted it and it stayed clear enough.  It would be appreciated if there was a grit bin on Station Approach though - for obvious reasons.

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