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Riots: young offenders 'unlikely to be jailed'

 

Sky News reports on Croydon court sitting where 34 individuals were facing a judge.

 

Chairman of the magistrates scentencing committee says 'it's unlikely any of the young offenders will go to jail for their part in the riots' (that's anyone under 18)

 

Nathan Dempster, an 18-year-old college student of Onslow Road, Croydon, sobbed in front of his mother and grandmother when he was told he would spend another week behind bars after being accused of stealing aftershave from House of Fraser in Croydon.

It went some way towards answering the question everyone has been asking for days: Who are these people who undertook violence, theft and disorder on our streets?

 

The BBC reports at Highbury Corner Magistrates' Court, in north London, where the accused are a broad variety of people with different ethnic backgrounds and job profiles.

Some cases are being referred for sentencing at the Crown Court.

The reason for that is they felt the riot was such an aggravating feature to some of the offences committed, such as burglary, that the Crown Court with its additional powers ought to pass sentence.

The magistrates could only impose a jail term of six months - at the Crown Court, that sentence could be up to 10 years.

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on August 12, 2011 at 11:42

Stephen thanks for the link to this interesting article that I have read. it makes some excellent points. "Torygraph" is something of a cliché isn't it?

Above, I think you've missed the point about "property". The property destroyed has been largely shops and the contents of shops, not houses, to which you talk about the German attitude.

I am of course aware that some have lost their homes. David Lammy MP said in Parlament the other day that 48 people are homeless as a result of the rioting (including arson). He has also warned that there may have been fatalities (as a result of the arson).

Permalink Reply by matt on August 12, 2011 at 11:57
Very interesting. He summarizes what a few commentators have been saying. This break down in moral code is of course in most countries, unfortunately. At least in the UK we talk openly about these things.
Permalink Reply by Old-Age-Emporium(OAE) on August 12, 2011 at 12:19

Spot on, young Oborne. That piece nails all those responsible, high and low.

 

Except for the millions of us moderately venal folk in the middle, including well over four thousand HOL members.

Permalink Reply by rosyrose on August 10, 2011 at 21:59
Oh lord. People with mental health problems stealing cakes and biscuits. I feel my namby pamby liberalism kicking in.
Permalink Reply by matt on August 10, 2011 at 22:10
Yes I noticed a fair few 'sleeping rough' or, 'history of mental health issues' or, ' in and out of foster care'. Clearly these folk need help rather than a jail scentence.
Permalink Reply by Old-Age-Emporium(OAE) on August 11, 2011 at 11:50

Declaration pp moont.

moont. is of course Muammar Gadaffi's fourth son's third wife.

Permalink Reply by Sam R on August 11, 2011 at 9:43
If they cannot sentence the under 18's then the parents need pay the price for their kids actions.
After all they have duty of care for their children.
Compensation of some kind to the victims would in my opinion be a way forward
Permalink Reply by matt on August 11, 2011 at 12:03
Total number arrested thus far since Saturday night: > 1100
Permalink Reply by Old-Age-Emporium(OAE) on August 11, 2011 at 12:08

I'm afraid my 'namby pamby liberalism' (Well, I did vote L/D last time!) does not allow me to vote for even token public flogging, but I would have a sneaking regard for the sight of a few well conducted chain gangs along T'nham High Road, Green Lanes etc. Just so long as the shackles are not so tight or the chains so short as to impede the shackled from efficiently carrying out the demanding Community Payback requirements of their sentence.

All of us who've contributed over the decades to the causes of the riots, our numbers swollen by the real ringleaders of the looting,  could go along to enjoy the rare entertainment and laugh our bellyful at those who were so stupid as to get caught.  

Permalink Reply by matt on August 11, 2011 at 16:08

A district judge dealing with cases relating to disorder in Nottingham has said people should speak to the government if sentences seemed lenient. BBC article.

 

Addressing Craig Cave at Nottingham Magistrates' Court, Judge Devas said: "Let me give you a piece of worldly advice. Get a life, sort yourself out.

"Don't you feel ashamed that you are now counted among the hundreds of yobbos arrested and now considered as scum by the public?"

Permalink Reply by John McMullan on August 25, 2011 at 22:46
"People should speak to the government" and I laughed and laughed and laughed.
Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on October 25, 2011 at 15:39
Below is a link to the published judgements of the Court of Appeal on appeals against the severity of sentences in several prominent cases following convictions in the riots. As well as dealing with individual cases, the Court set out the principles underlying the sentences.
The cases include the two men in Cheshire who (separately) used Facebook to encourage other people to riot.
There was also an appeal against sentence in a case of theft from the Comet store in Tottenham Hale.
 
The page below links to both the full judgement and a summary:
 
Alan

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