Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Recycling Paper & Board
Following published report's in Press
That the World market for Paper and Board has collasped and that local
Authorities are wasting Millions storing it for a possible increase in price
In unknown future or Never..........
Which Will increase Rate Bills
Will you be Joining me in putting it in the Rubbish Bin - to Be Burn't
and used to make Electricity @ the Edmonton Plant
With other Burnable Rubbish ?
That the World market for Paper and Board has collasped and that local
Authorities are wasting Millions storing it for a possible increase in price
In unknown future or Never..........
Which Will increase Rate Bills
Will you be Joining me in putting it in the Rubbish Bin - to Be Burn't
and used to make Electricity @ the Edmonton Plant
With other Burnable Rubbish ?
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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To be honest I've been burning a bit of mine but are we not still getting stuck into Gordon Brown occasionally for deciding that it was too costly to store all that gold?
I've not been quite THIS sophisticated, but it's perhaps worth a crack.
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Permalink Reply by Alison P on
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I gave my (v thrify) dad a machine that helps make logs out of paper just like this. They are really good but you need space to store them while they dry out ... He got carried away, let us say, and it caused my poor old mum no end of grief (as the piles of bricks grew and grew)!
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Permalink Reply by Birdy_Too on
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Surely it's taken decades to get people into the recycling mindset why stop now?
I shall be recycling mine.
I do have an open fire John so may well try that when I've had the chimney sweep in and given the all clear to use it.
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Permalink Reply by Bob Ruggles on
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Accept recycling if it's Viable
But not @ High Rate Bills to Store it for it to rot away
As Quoted within months it Breaks down and becomes homes for Vermin and a Fire Risk
Especially as it could be Burn't within Haringey and Generate Electricity
Saving other Fosel Fuels
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Permalink Reply by frank demster on
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This is another Daily Mail attempt to make any pro green policies look loony. Theirs is paper that's worth nothing. At one point tin cans were worth nothing too. I agree with Birdy's comment.
Best policy is get a no junk maill sticker for you letter box (haringey boro provide) and register with that online junk post excluder (something "preference"). Exclude crap from your life in the first place then you won't have to worry about how to get rid of it.
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Frank,
Regardless of your views of the DM
The Facts is that under the name of Recycling - Firms are wasting and Charging Ratepayers
for Storing a product that the World is not Longer interested in
And We are running short of fuels that can be used to Generate Electricity
Where Paper and board can be used to Generate electricity
The joke is that it has a very short storage life unlike - Glass / Plastic / Tin
Which can be stored until a market is found
And also becomes a health and fire Hazard when stored in large quantity
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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Burning paper and cardboard in your own fireplace or backyard doesn't sound a good idea and might be illegal in a smokeless zone. It would send CO2 and carbon particulates into the air. Presumably the local authority incinerators take measures to reduce harmful emissions ?
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Burning paper and cardboard is technically carbon neutral. Trees suck carbon out of the atmosphere, we turn them into paper and cardboard, we burn them and put some of this carbon back into the atmosphere.
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Permalink Reply by Nigel Lupton (luptonn) on
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I take your point John that burning the stuff is carbon neutral and presumably you would just be burning the "waste" product.
However, paper and card production definitely has a carbon footprint. Think about the manufacturing process: chopping the trees down, transporting the wood, operating the saw mill/pulping plant/paper producing plant, transporting the finished product; which all require carbon based energy. And then there are the other nasty chemicals (ammonia etc) used in the production process and the vast quantities of water required.
I'm not sure how these stack up against the cost of recycling, which itself requires some industrial processing. My guess is that the value of the recycled product at the moment doesn't provide a big enough mark up over the cost of production of either new paper or recycled paper to make it worth it.
BTW - My father had one of those paper brick makers when we were growing up (mid 80s) and we used to burn them on our Parkray fire/heating system. they burn just like wood logs.
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There is an interesting piece of recycling and incineration in today's Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/feb/26/recycling-waste-e...
The jist of the piece is :
- recycling is good especially co-mingled.
- China and India stopped buying at the end of last year that caused some issues for the world market, but prices are recovering
- incinerators are a good alternative to burying rubbish that can't be recycled
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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NL wrote: - incinerators are a good alternative to burying rubbish that can't be recycled
I know of schemes here, where 'local rubbish' is incinerated to provide 'local heating' (Fernwärme) or district heating
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