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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

I hope all you who have the vote in Harringay will remember tonight ( and certainly other nights to come ) and at the next election vote out the incompetent shower responsible for the introduction of the LTN.

My weekly 5-minute journey from Wightman Road to Green Lanes took 45 minutes, including  30 minutes to go the length of Hampden Road. Yes, I know that there was a burst water main. But in happier times traffic would have been distributed across the roads now blocked off and not confined to Green Lanes. Yes, I know that I could have taken a bus to sit in the same traffic jam as I did this evening but in any case there aren't any buses between my house and the bottom of Effingham Road. 

I understand the concerns of those residents living in the LTN who hope that the pollution in their streets will be reduced but don't the residents of Green Lanes, Turnpike Lane and Wightman Road breathe ? don't their children have lungs ?. Where did the Council think the LTN traffic would go ? 

And please don't suggest to this disabled person that I could have cycled.  I couldn't.

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Are you suggesting that both Islington and TfL sent false data and that experienced researchers at Imperial College conspired with them to do so?

Well, I we just had a consultation though the door about putting school streets at North Harringey (I assume south Harringey is being consulted on too), so thats going to add even more fun an hilarity to the local area. I hate to think what my road Lausanne will be like. I wish they actually had a proper plan about what to do, it seems to be like... wack a mole and shock horror somewhere else gets worse so wack that one... repeat... No joined up thinking. 

By 'hilarity', you mean safer streets with less pollution for primary school children? Being against safer and cleaner streets for primary school children feels like a very, very strange thing to be against. 

The UK is 40-50 years behind the Netherlands in getting people to shift from car dominated urban areas. They all own & use cars, just not for trips easily done using other modes of trans. If people support these LTNs and seek solutions instead of retrograde, sometimes politically motivated negative actions, things will move forward.

The situation just could not stay as it was….

We speak about the LTNs and how to reduce the impact of air pollution on people and predominately our children, however, it is beyond me how we ourselves are not taking responsibility of the day to day pollution inside our homes which are causing a drastic impact on our children’s lungs and health. A study from Clean Air Day in 2019 concluded that our homes have 3.5 times ‘worse pollution’ than outdoor air, and The Royal College of Paediatrics conducted a study in January 2020, revealing that children’s lungs where being affected by indoor air at a certain considerable rate! Whilst the LTN tries to reduce ‘outdoor pollution’ in certain streets, it does nothing more than move the pollution elsewhere.

Links to the studies you mention would be very helpful.
If this is one the reports you meant, I couldn't find the research you specified.

Is the other report this one?

Plainly it's very worrying. But I'm unsure of your argument here. Are you suggestion that external air pollution shouldn't be a priority?

Charcoal kebab shops are blowing a world of cancerous smoke over the high street. You can see it when you go to the top of woodgreen car park. It’s like small factory’s pumping smoke out. That’s an easy win to stop that pollution, gas BBQ’s taste pretty identical. Yet nothing ever seems to be done about them. 

Ban the charcoal babs!

Rory — This sequence is now so convoluted that I can’t post in the right place. Even in your explication of the purpose of LTNs, the underlying message is that they displace traffic, rather than preventing it (you talk about satnavs reconfiguring to avoid jams and drivers “choosing another route”), which is one of my fundamental objections. Traffic doesn’t “evaporate”, it goes somewhere else — “not my problem, guv”. Enfield creates an LTN, all the traffic goes into Haringay, as we’ve seen; St Ann’s becomes an LTN, all the traffic goes onto GL and WGR…. and so on. Where do you want it to go next — the Ladder? Crouch End? Ally Pally?

Locally, as I’ve said earlier, the council needs to work collaboratively to sort out the N Circular junction, along with showing green credentials by electrifying all its own vehicles and forcing service vehicles to do the same (UPS and Amazon have done it, so can the rest). Banning parking and prioritising buses in GL would encourage much greater use and improve reliability. Nationally, the government needs to back up its ban on petrol vehicles with EV-friendly measures that make it possible for people change, rather than just relying on “the market”. As for the commuters, I don’t know why they choose cars over, say, trains, but to crack that conundrum, maybe improve the train service/lower the fares/reduce overcrowding, etc, to get more people out of their vehicles. Deal with the source of the problem and people will change; bugger up their lives by deliberately making journeys more difficult and they’ll just resent it.

Please listen, Don. It does both. It displaces traffic and reduces it. People use their cars less as a result of the LTN. It literally does evaporate. That has been proven over and over again in peer reviewed surveys. There is a tipping point where your car journey become so onerous that you find another means of transport. Sadly, people won't do this willingly, as their convenience is more important than the environment. Did you read the post properly? Because the point I made was that there was a mix of outcomes. That's aside, of course, from the near zero traffic inside the LTN. A benefit nearly everyone who's against the LTN is conveniently ignoring. 

Haringey is slowing traffic whilst refusing to negotiate with hire bikes schemes like lime  to help them provide a decent service. It doesn’t feel like a well managed transition. Where are the hire bike authorised areas like in Camden? Where are the designated electric scooter pick up areas to help lubricate the move to other alternatives? 


FPR,  you write: 
"Haringey is [...] refusing to negotiate with hire bikes schemes like lime to help them provide a decent service. It doesn’t feel like a well managed transition. Where are the hire bike authorised areas like in Camden?"

To support this assertion you link to a Haringey Community Press item (28 October 2022) which actually read:
"Hal Stevenson, Lime's senior public affairs manager for the UK, said: [...]  “We are working with Haringey Council to manage bikes left in the borough more effectively, and have agreed clear timeframes to remove obstructive bikes. "We continue to educate users on the importance of parking responsibly, and will warn, fine and ultimately ban non-compliant riders.“

The Community Press item continued:
"There is market testing underway by the council to establish its own well-managed and controlled trial scheme of shared e-bikes in 2023, to encourage people to travel actively.

Cllr Mike Hakata was then quoted: “To avoid the problem of abandoned bikes creating a mess and obstructing pavements, a key feature of any future cycle hire scheme in Haringey will be, where possible, the use of bays or docking stations where cyclists should leave bikes once they have finished their journey."

Reposting stuff is often useful, But why add something not in the original?



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