Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Please Help Us Raise £700 to Fund a Leaflet Printrun
For those of you who are active on HoL, you'll be very much aware of Haringey Council's transport study. This is a once-in-a-generation opportunity for all Harringay's residents to have their say on how best to reduce our excessive traffic burden. To that end, we want to ensure that all residents are FULLY informed on the options available.
Unlike Haringey Council, we do not have a juggernaut PR system pushing our message, or the money to pay for it. So we are asking for your help. We want to raise money to fund a print run of leaflets for Wightman and all the Ladder roads, plus other events to raise awareness.
If you'd like to help us raise funds for the second phase of our campaign; to create a safer, healthier, happier Harringay for everyone, then please click the link below which will take you to our Just Giving page.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Don: No, I'm not wincing! As it happens, I don't do social media apart from Facebook, but I suggest you should look at Harringay's equivalent site (http://www.harringayonline.com/forum/topics/gardens-rising-bollard-...), which has many comments from their residents who suffered very badly from the 2006 closure. My contention has always been that Gardens closure has unfair consequences for neighbouring areas and this reinforces the point, so I very much hope Harringay residents will comment directly to Haringey on the current plans.
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Permalink Reply by Charlotte A on
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Why are you always trolling Don about the Gardens closure?
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I'm not trolling him. Trolling is coming into a group and saying something that you know they would vehemently disagree with and cause a big ruckus then quietly stepping aside to observe the crap you caused.
I am quoting Don's words back at him and changing the time/place to show him that the same thing could have been said about the gardens but there was no consultation and no publicity. Living Wightman just want what everyone else around us has been getting over the past decade or so and which has increased the traffic the ladder takes. We're the last decent rat-run.
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I don't agree with your definition but we're all allowed our own opinions. I just don't understand why you pick on Don every time he says something, as though the closure of the Gardens has anything to do with him.
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Charlotte: Well, thanks for the defence! I'm not a Gardens resident so I don't take it personally. See my response to John below (or perhaps above depending on how this system rearranges things....).
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It's not just Don he picks on Charlotte
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John: There's little disagreement between us about the Gardens closure. I think it's a major cause of the current traffic problems in Green Lanes but I have no axe to grind about how it was achieved, nor do I think the Wightman proposals shouldn't be debated in public; isn't that what this thread is all about? What I don't buy is the assumption that just because everyone else inflicted problems on Harringay then that's a good enough reason to do the same thing by closing Wightman as well. Your earlier post about Antoinette suggested that only certain people were eligible to comment; I'm asking you to consider others who don't live on Wightman or - apparently - a privileged number of Ladder roads and also to read the comments made by our immediate neighbours (not "far-flung boroughs") in Stroud Green.
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All the comments in other groups ever say is stuff like "how dare they" etc. As I said, Living Wightman just want what they have. Joe has already pointed out to you some of the road closure and rat run mitigation measures that they have over there. I bought a house on the ladder in early 2001 when it was quiet. When it was made one-way the following year it developed as a magnificent rat-run for HGVs which considering the houses' proximity to a speed hump was like living in a war zone with random explosions throughout the day causing noise and shaking. I grew up in New Zealand with regular earthquakes so it's not like I wasn't hard enough to handle it, I just couldn't handle that there were companies and the council flouting the 7.5t limit (I took it very personally) and began doing something about it, I'm not just a keyboard warrior.
The ladder's geography has made it a fantastic cut-through for those avoiding queues at traffic lights on the surrounding A roads. I believe that because this is difficult to fix and that the ladder now carries so much more traffic it is the last place in Haringey to see any traffic reduction measures which is unfair.
The supposed pollution levels from the concrete factory pale in comparison to what we suffer from because of traffic and that was very much objected to by concerned people in Crouch End and Stroud Green.
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In case you haven’t had time to read them, here are two extracts from the Stroud Green website:
“Hanley Road, which I live on, is busier since Wightman Road's closure. Should residents here have to suffer more cars, my children have to suffer more risk etc, because someone else doesn't want to?”
“The closure has caused traffic tailbacks all the way to Crouch End and Stroud Green. On Upper Tollington Park where I live there is abysmal standing traffic all along the street during rush hour every day. I can't open my front window for the fumes.”
You could say this is just neighbours commenting “how dare they”, but it exemplifies the point that Wightman closure only shifts the problem somewhere else. Joe’s comments were about Florence and Victoria roads; they have speed tables and slightly widened pavements (at one point on Victoria), but the roads aren’t closed, so presumably this does what they want and controls the rat-runners.
I sympathise with you about the HGVs outside your door; there’s a speed hump outside my door, too, and a delivery lorry’s just gone over it with a great crash. But it was you yourself who posted a photo of the chicane at Chetwynd Road (in Kentish Town) with the comment “this is what I thought would be fair and justice”. I agree; so why isn’t that being promoted by Living Wightman instead of full closure?
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Upper Tollington Park is part of the rat run that comes from Bounds Green around the back of Wood Green Mall (as intended by the council). I would contend that a fair bit of their traffic comes from there. Was enough time given for drivers to change their behaviour and perhaps move to public transport?
Hanley Rd is very wide and does not have pavement parking, all the same I sympathise but I don't think the closure of Wightman caused their problems, there was also work going on Stroud Green Rd at the time.
All of this is merely arguments for opening up new roads, perhaps we could take some land from the railway or culvert the New River to drive upon it?
And Living Wightman are not pursing my road narrowings as it's not an option. The council "cleverly" didn't present it as one.
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John, in the case of my road that's one width restriction.
Doesn't close the road
I don't think anyone would have a problem with a series of those on Wightman or any of the ladder or garden roads.
But as I have said before that never seems to get much traction.
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John: As I understand it, Haringey's options are based on proposals from local groups - they make the point in their intro that they're not necessarily Council policies - so it was completely open to Living Wightman to propose your chicane solution instead of road closure in their submission, but they apparently chose not to.
Re Stroud Green: there may have been other things going on at the same time as the 2016 closure, but you can't just write off the palpable chaos that was caused by it - we all saw it just in our own area, on Endymion in the south and TPL and beyond in the north. I also think it's a stretch to say that Upper Tollington Park is part of a Wood Green rat-run; I'd bet it's used just as much by traffic avoiding the Finsbury Park jams, heading to/from the Arena, or even back onto Seven Sisters via GL and Woodberry Grove.
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