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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

For those of you who are active on HoL, you'll be very much aware of Haringey Council's transport study. This is a once-in-a-generation opportunity for all Harringay's residents to have their say on how best to reduce our excessive traffic burden. To that end, we want to ensure that all residents are FULLY informed on the options available.

Unlike Haringey Council, we do not have a juggernaut PR system pushing our message, or the money to pay for it. So we are asking for your help. We want to raise money to fund a print run of leaflets for Wightman and all the Ladder roads, plus other events to raise awareness.

If you'd like to help us raise funds for the second phase of our campaign; to create a safer, healthier, happier Harringay for everyone, then please click the link below which will take you to our Just Giving page.

Thank you.

Yes, I would like to help raise £700 to fund leaflets If you'd like more information, or get involved, please check out our Living Wightman Blog or Facebook Page.

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I think if you are going to ask people to fund your leaflets you should tell them what the leaflets are actually going to say first.

Thanks Antoinette - that would help wouldn't it!

The copy for the leaflet was posted on our website a few days ago here.

There have been a few other articles posted to the website recently e.g. about the Wood Green Action Plan survey, and the LCSP's support for filtering Wightman. More articles to come - if you subscribe to emails on the website, join our Facebook group here or follow us @Living_Wightman on Twitter we can keep you notified of these.

Thanks!

Will the leaflets present all the options open equally, or will they promote only one of the solutions ?

(...)  opportunity for all Harringay's residents to have their say

we want to ensure that all residents are FULLY informed on the options available.

We want to raise money to fund a print run of leaflets for Wightman and all the Ladder roads,

The leaflet is only going to ladder residents?

Hi Tris - Living Wightman is campaigning for filtering Wightman and reduction of traffic overall, and does NOT support reopening the barriers around Hermitage, the Gardens, or anywhere else! 

Re-opening roads has never been one of our Aims, but sounds like we should add something to the new FAQ on our website to make this clear.

Thanks

It would be great to leaflet wider than the Ladder Nick, obviously dependent on raising enough funds for printing plus getting volunteers to deliver them.

Thanks to everyone who has donated so far - nearly halfway to our £700 target now!

Thanks

That's not information: that's propaganda.

Isn’t it about time some HoL participants acknowledged that Harringay is more than just the Ladder and Wightman roads? For those of us not living on the Ladder, and who suffered the full brunt of the chaos caused by last year’s Wightman closure, it’s very depressing to see yet another attempt by a narrow pressure group to impose a selfish traffic management scheme on the rest of Harringay.

Living Wightman participants have consistently failed to deal with critical flaws in their campaign:

a) The conviction that their problems are all caused by “through traffic” without any evidence as to where journeys actually start and finish.

b) Long-standing condemnation of Gardens and Hermitage residents for “selfishness” in getting their roads barriered - while now advocating precisely the same solution for the Ladder and Wightman.

c) The consistent failure to define “local”; is it just the Ladder or might it conceivably include people living in Green Lanes, St Ann’s, Salisbury or even - heaven forbid - the Gardens? Or maybe Living Wightman really does think “their” road is only for the exclusive use of Wightman residents?

d) The claim that the problem is always “other people”, without any acknowledgement that they themselves are just as much contributors when they use residential streets elsewhere as “rat runs”.

The leaflet text talks of unspecified “mitigation” for the huge increase in GL traffic the authors know their plans would cause; if, as Living Wightman claim here, this doesn’t involve reopening the barriers on Hermitage and in the Gardens, then they need to specify exactly what they would do instead to prevent the massive log-jams on GL that last year’s closure caused. 

We all want less pollution, cleaner air and a better environment, but right now it looks as though some of those living west of Green Lanes need to realise that dumping their problem onto those who don’t is just as antisocial as the actions of the people they condemn for using their streets as a means of getting from Hornsey Park Road to Endymion.

Isn’t it about time some HoL participants acknowledged that Harringay is more than just the Gardens and Hermitage Road? For those of us not living in the Gardens, and who suffered the full brunt of the chaos caused by 2006's Gardens closure, it’s very depressing to see yet another attempt by a narrow pressure group to impose a selfish traffic management scheme on the rest of Harringay.

GRA participants have consistently failed to deal with critical flaws in their campaign:

a) The conviction that their problems are all caused by “through traffic” without any evidence as to where journeys actually start and finish.

b) Long-standing condemnation of Hermitage residents for “selfishness” in getting their roads barriered - while now advocating precisely the same solution for the Gardens.

c) The consistent failure to define “local”; is it just the Gardens or might it conceivably include people living in Green Lanes, St Ann’s, Salisbury or even - heaven forbid - the Ladder? Or maybe the GRA really does think “their” road is only for the exclusive use of Gardens residents?

d) The claim that the problem is always “other people”, without any acknowledgement that they themselves are just as much contributors when they use residential streets elsewhere as “rat runs”.

The leaflet (oh how hilarious, the Gardens were gated on the sly) text talks of unspecified “mitigation” for the huge increase in Ladder traffic the authors know their plans would cause; if, as the GRA claim here, this doesn’t involve reopening the barriers on Hermitage, then they need to specify exactly what they would do instead to prevent the massive log-jams on the Ladder that 2006’s closure caused. 

We all want less pollution, cleaner air and a better environment, but right now it looks as though some of those living east of Green Lanes need to realise that dumping their problem onto those who don’t is just as antisocial as the actions of the people they condemn for using their streets as a means of getting from Tottenham to Endymion.

John McM: I know imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but I suspect you may have mistakenly thought I hold some sort of brief for Gardens or Hermitage residents. I don’t - not least because I don’t live in either.

My previous post was designed to point out what I think have always been flaws in the LW argument: an unfeasibly narrow definition of “local”, unsupported assumptions about the origin of “through traffic” and consistent condemnation of the Gardens solution while proposing exactly the same thing for the Ladder. I’ve no idea if the Gardens closures were done “on the sly”, but allegations have previously been made on HoL about undue influence and the intervention of councillors at the time, so I find it ironic that some of the people who so vocally resent the traffic restrictions east of GL think it’s perfectly OK to impose the same ones to the west, with exactly the same impact on the rest of Harringay.

They're not imposing! They openly lobbying. There is discussion and publicity! When the gardens were closed off it was because a councillor in St Ann's needed some extra votes in a selection meeting and the GRA are an amazing lobbying institution to boot. I understand Hermitage Rd went even higher up the local political tree.

This is residents asking openly, not joining the Labour Party and threatening to fix selections of the cabinet member for the environment. Fine object but if you attack them as you have done then you're open to what I did.

Wightman Rd is the last great rat run in the borough. The people who live there have been frogs growing slightly sicker as the water got warmer with surrounding road closures and traffic management. Have some sympathy as well as pointing out your own position eh?

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