Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Parking fine
I would like another point of view I received a parking fine a few weeks ago and I feel it was completely unjust. The space I parked in as far as I could see was not a bay not. Yellow line or a sign I wrote to complain and sent pictures and they replied saying I still have to pay the fine I would like to know if I m in the wrong any advice would be good pictures below . There was a clear disabled by in front and a 30 minute bay behind but this to me just looked like a space i was I front of the tree
Thank you
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Permalink Reply by Tina on
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Thank you I feel a bit of a fool as I was convinced I was in the right my husband made sure Its been paid but I was on one we pay hundreds for parking permits and pay to park to shop and pay for all our visitors to park now I have to pay for a ticket when I thought it was safe to park. Thank you for the advice I will back down quietly now
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Permalink Reply by james walsh on
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Look carefully at the upside down 'T' lines (from point of view of camera) on each side of the tree. These are demarcation lines which indicate a controlled parking bay in front of the tree. You'll have to pay i'm afraid. Sorry
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Thank you for advice please read explanation above . Appreciate your help
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Marion I would be glad to help if you have any other parking fine disputes. Sorry this one went against you but you'd be suprised how many that you can challenge and win. Best luck.
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Not only are the lines worn, but there should also be dash lines. These dash marks are missing altogether, giving you good grounds for appealing the ticket.
I have looked at it on google street view. from Archway Rd junction eastwards there are double red lines, changing to double yellow fading into single yellow. Then one disabled bay, then 2 X " 30 minute bays" ( your one is the first of these 2) Then there seems to be no parking restriction at all for quite a way ( apart from white driveway marks) The second 30 minute bay is properly marked, your one ( the first one ) isn't.
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Thank you Gerry I appreciate your efforts it really has all just worn away I was in a rush as it was my sons sports day and you can't park by his school after 10 am so I thought I had found a space that was legal haringay just love to bleed you dry ! Thanks again
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What, more silly little lines missing? (See: http://www.harringayonline.com/forum/topics/a-parking-conundrum-in-...).
And there are plenty more worn out markings etc. – especially around Harringay. What’s the excuse for parking infrastructure neglect when there is a revenue surplus?
I think this case deserves equal help.
Where are you councillors?
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Every parking fine I have applied to be overturned was rejected on the first appeal. I think it is just their standard response. Persistance may well pay off.
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It's been the same for me too. The response I had to a first "informal challenge" last year didn't even get my name right (I parked in the wrong bay accidentally). It seemed a pretty generic letter and it failed to answer the points I raised. They finally used discretion to allow my "formal representation" "due to insufficient information" but they did not apologize for, or even acknowledge, the inadequate signage and worn/unlawful markings which I told them about and nothing was done about it - I wondered if, perhaps, this was because the people answering the appeal were in Worthing, not Haringey as one might expect.
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It's a joke they don't even bother spending money on making the lines and boxes well signed and filled in because they can still give you a ticket regardless argghhh it's so infuriating I have children I would rather spend my spare money on
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This quote from (DfT) Operational Guidance to Local Authorities is relevant to your case; I don't think the Council has any excuse.
6.13 CEO duties will also include related activities such as the following:
• Checking and reporting defective traffic signs and road markings.
This includes signs that are obscured, damaged, or deliberately ‘spun round’,
and broken or faded road markings. Defective or missing signs or lines may
make the Traffic Regulation Order (TRO) that they indicate unenforceable, in
which case CEOs should not issue a PCN
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(A "CEO" is a Civil Enforcement Officer - what used to be called a traffic warden.)
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