Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Northern Ladder Traffic Reduction Proposal!
Spurred on by the suggestion of using the Green Lanes regeneration as the opportunity for getting some wider traffic improvements made on the Ladder, and with the idea of chipping away at the problems one at a time, here is a proposal which would almost completely eliminate non-residential through traffic from all of the northern Ladder roads.
The north of the Ladder are the five streets Frobisher, Lausanne, Hampden, Raleigh, and Sydney, along with Wiloughby Rd and Duckets Common. This is an area of similar size to the Harringay Gardens, which gets a lot of car and truck traffic travelling through as a short cut and not stopping in the area.
Here is a single small, simple, and cheap fix that would almost completely eliminate all of that through traffic:
Installing a gate preventing traffic entering or exiting from Frobisher Rd to Green Lanes (also see red circle on the map at the bottom for the location).
Along with eliminating the through traffic on the residential streets it would also eliminate that traffic from the streets along two sides of Ducketts Common giving a dramatic improvement to the quality of one of Harringay's few green spaces. But wait, there's more, if all that isn't enough this would also relieve congestion at the busy Green Lanes / Alfoxton / Frobisher intersection allowing the traffic there to flow more smoothly.
An initial reaction might be to think this traffic must just get displaced onto other Ladder roads, but no not really, most would get displaced onto Turnpike Lane and Green Lanes, "A" roads which is where that through traffic is supposed to be anyway, not on residential streets.
There is a possibility some of the East bound traffic coming from West Green Rd might still be tempted to detour via Falkland Rd. The solution to that is to switch the direction of Falkland Rd, which would make the detour not worth it and the traffic would instead go up Green Lanes and left onto Turnpike Lane, which is exactly where we want it. The Falkland Rd residents already want their direction changed anyway, and, if the Hewit Rd change goes ahead then this Falkland switch will aid that by adding another West-to-East road to share the Hewit traffic. So win win win all around!
What do you say, how about it?
Update: Instead of the Falkland direction change (crossed out above) it turns out that a better solution for this and Falkland Rd is to have a No Right Turn in to it from Green Lanes, see here for more.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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There are too many active threads Mark - and remember the resource that delivers this site is a volunteer one - though of course if anyone suggests a subscription model, I'm sure we'll be delighted to open a discussion on that.
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Permalink Reply by Mark Smith on
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Given the choice, I think I prefer the volunteer model :)
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Permalink Reply by JulieB on
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I agree we do live in a busy part of London, with a railway really getting in the way, so there is a lot of traffic. We almost bought a lovely flat on Wightman but decided the busy road and trains at the back of the garden were too much and we bought in a much quieter road just off the North side of St Annes Rd (also we got more space for our money because it's N15).
Green Lanes is a nightmare to drive on, I think far too busy to have people parking on it (and doing crazy U-turns and other demonstrations of less than desirable driving).
If more local roads are closed off and ALL the traffic is forced onto GL then I think the parking spaces would have to be removed and have North and South bound permanent bus lanes to keep traffic moving.
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Permalink Reply by Old-Age-Emporium(OAE) on
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Come on, Tris and JulieB , don't be shy. Choosing not to live on Wightman is a courageous decision for which you should be commended. But it has nothing to do with "Wightman is a bit busy for a narrow residential street" or "the busy road and trains at the back of the garden were too much". Tell it like it is. "Despite the convenience of nearby commuter stations and the friendly trains passing the Western flank of Wightman's back gardens, with the regular prospect of an Oliver Cromwell or Sir Nigel Gresley chuffing by and letting me relive a past I never knew, I simply could not tolerate the thought of low-life living among the unlettered and unladdered denizens of this "narrowly residential" stretch of the B138. It's as much as I can bear to make it to the Moka or La Vina (what pretension!) once a month."
But for anyone who may think that the hyper-inflation of Ladder Property Porn will never reach Wightman Road's Western Flank (Crouch End Borders if Stroud Green weren't blocking the view) the Green Lanes Estate Agent Woolworth (or is it Wankworth?) have just managed an orgasmic double whammy on my next door neighbour, No.67. Having collected their %age on its £420K sale circa 20th December 2012, they have in the past day or two won the Lotto once more with its resale at £595K. My short-lived "new neighbour" convinced us he, his wife and young family of three were moving in, even promised to have us over for dinner once they'd done it up; this gave himself and his drillers and hammerers carte blanche to drive us up the quivering party walls for three months. They even sent in the sloppiest of "painters" to throw white paint over the back extension, most of it hitting the gutters and downpipes. Apparently, he also converted the top landing into a "4th bedroom" (5'4" x 6'0). Woodworth's photographer even squeezed in a baby's cot, while capturing fish-eye views of the compact "contemporary" bathroom and kitchen etc. So for an expenditure of ?15/20K, Shedsworth's fly-by-night client found someone foolish enough to hand him £150K of profit in 3 months - for one of those periodic Wightman Road Rape & Robberies that our local police never hear about and that never even get reported on HOL.
So, Tris and JulieB, you see you don't have to live on the awful Wightman Road in order to make shedloads of dosh out of it - twice over in half-a-year. It's Wellworth thinking about. Wink, Wink! Worth, Worth! It's also nice to know that even a 3-bed-pretending-it's-a-4-bed on the Wightman rat-run can help keep Britain Great with £18+K of Stamp Duty in the course of a wintry Spring. Now where's my drill and hammer and old can of magnolia, before I hit 70?
Oh! my abject apologies to ant & all. Perhaps this is the wrong discussion. But then again, what is "traffic reduction" or "regeneration" about if it isn't about Property Porn for Residents?
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A riff rather than a rant I'd say, Tris, and your comment seemed the nearest peg on which to hang it. Just the nature of HOL discussions, I guess. They may wander hither and thither, but usually they have one or two well beloved themes, or is it memes, lurking just below the surface. Property Porn is one of the most dependable. I like to exhume it now and then, just in case my fellow residents may miss the covert for the overt.
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I'm not a property developer, we bought our house nearly 10 yrs ago when I was pregnant with my first son, we're still here and no plans to move.
I don't think I was being shy about anything, my comment was just saying we decided to buy in N15 because we could afford a house rather than a flat and the traffic was a bit quieter.
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Permalink Reply by ant on
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Hi Michelle, yes you are right that after this change Falkland would become the first road to give direct access from Wightman Road to Green Lanes. The only way the proposal works is if that isn't significantly worse than the traffic it currently gets going east-to-west, and from a quick look that might be the case. That was what Nicholas meant by requiring a traffic study / count. Its a bit of an understatement to say Falkland already gets it's fair share of traffic, it gets way more than some other rungs due to all the west bound traffic coming out of Alfoxton Ave, which doesn't seem right especially as it has NHP and Fairland Park. Would be nice to give it special treatment, maybe even close it to through traffic completely by blocking it at the passage. The Falkland Fence?
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Interesting to read today about Bristol having car free Sunday's once a month, wouldn't that be good to try around here? Maybe this northern gate could be introduced like that as a trial just once a month, or how about those Wightman gates once a month?
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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And lo and behold, the most polluted road in London is the A406, but east of us. Just north of us the A406 is going under incredible amounts of work to join it up properly and again, crossing the blimmin GNER is the main problem. I think this is why we see more HGV traffic on the ladder. I am hoping that when this work finishes our problems with HGV traffic will become less of an issue but I think the council feel this way too.
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It is the HGVs which do my head in. The racket and shaking when these vehicles speed up the road is unbelievable and it is upsetting never to see any enforcement. The council does a good job on issuing parking tickets, but why can't they do the same for the rules of the road being broking?
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Because half the offenders are council subcontractors.
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