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Mid-terraced house prices in Duckett Road or surrounding roads in April 1991

Hi

I’m after actual or advertised price data for freehold mid-terraced houses on or within a 2 mile radius of Duckett Road, for the year 1991.

So, if your house is freehold mid terraced and sold in this period, I’d be interested to know the sale price. Or if you have old local papers from the time with houses for sale in the area, that would be very useful. I plan to visit museums / libraries after lockdown to access old back issues of eg Hornsey Journal, Haringey Advertiser to access this information.

The Land Registry has sales data online, but not as far back as 1991. Ditto for online property sites. I’ve phoned multiple estate agents on Green Lanes, but they don’t hold data back to 1991.

Thanks

Maurice 

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Permalink Reply by fenella on March 24, 2023 at 11:27

Hi Maurice, 

Did you have any success with your challenge?

I am interested in challenging my band also - I'm in Hampden Road and my house is in Band F which seems way too high!

Any help/ advice would be greatly appreciated

Thanks so much

Permalink Reply by Maurice on September 6, 2024 at 11:53

Apologies, Fenella, but I’ve just seen this. Have you challenged your banding yet? 

I published a book last year: Artefact: Anatomy of a Great English Tax Scandal

I attach one chart from the book. The law requires your (and my) Band F valuation to be a reasonable expectation by a vendor at 1 April 1991. No publicly available data for sale prices exists before 1995. BUT in 1995, sale prices were at the same level as at spring 1991, so can be used as a reasonable proxy. 

The chart is pretty self explanatory in terms of demonstrating that a vendor had pretty much no hope of achieving a Band F sales price for any terraced property east of the railway line. 

The book has all the detail. 

I intend to eventually use the details to challenge my banding, but via the courts. Again, why is all explained in the book.

Permalink Reply by Hugh on March 6, 2021 at 12:24

Land Registry gives info on individual property sales prices from 1995 onwards. It’s not 1993,but I'd have thought close enough to be helpful. I had a quick look at Duckett as an example and all the Nineties prices I saw were sub £100k. From what I remember, house prices on the Ladder in the early Nineties were very much more driven by decorative order than by size. I think the N8 end was slightly more expensive than the N4 one in those days. Wouldn’t it be sufficient to show that even in 1995 prices were lower than Band F?

Permalink Reply by Maurice on March 6, 2021 at 15:15

This is a legal process. The evidence they’ll accept is tightly circumscribed. Evidence outside 1991-1993 is suggestive (perhaps even very highly so), but it needs to be back filled with documentary evidence for within the 1991-1993 window. On my road, there’s a small ‘hotspot’ area of F bands, around 25 properties or less. The other 75 properties are all in lower bands. 

Permalink Reply by Al on March 6, 2021 at 13:25

We bought our house on Warham Rd in 1996 and paid £104k. We looked at a number of houses on the ladder during that period and it was slightly more. Our neighbours were shocked that houses were £100k and more 

Permalink Reply by Maurice on March 6, 2021 at 15:21

The post 1993 evidence for sub £120,000 prices in 1991 is there. I’m asking for very specific time bound information: 1991-1993. And it has to be documentary evidence, as I’ve explained in the various threads. There’s a standard of proof required to pay £000s of pounds to people like me who have been overpaying for years, as Karen has found 

Permalink Reply by Rob B on March 7, 2021 at 11:32

Hi Maurice

have you investigated whether these data are held by LonRes? A paid for sales and market data company used by those in this field. 

https://www.lonres.com/public/products/sales-archive

As an individual I doubt you can get an account but you might speak to some local agents to see who has a lonres account and if they would undertake some paid research for you. 

Permalink Reply by Rob B on March 7, 2021 at 12:08

As a follow up to this I might suggest speaking to https://www.prickettandellis.com/ as they are the only local agent I can immediately think of that have a valuation department 

Permalink Reply by Maurice on March 7, 2021 at 14:57

Thanks for these suggestions, Rob. I’ll follow up. 

The sceptic in me says LonRes is highly unlikely to have anything more than a few data points back to 1974, less likely still in Harringay. 

I’ll also give Pickett a call.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Permalink Reply by Rob B on March 7, 2021 at 16:03

Let me know how you get on. I also have another suggestion as I was involved in a project regarding sale prices for the period 1987-1992 (although not round here) but I suspect it would be a much more expensive route to go down! 

Permalink Reply by Maurice on March 7, 2021 at 16:22

Ok

If you’ve been following all the various threads, I posted a reply to Hugh within the hour highlighting a large £2.5m Crouch End mid terrace in band E (1 mile from me). Also, only 9% of properties in England are in band F and above. I think searching for freehold terraces in Stroud Green / Crouch End will get me the comparables data I’m seeking (though not the price data). If that property is E, mine should be in a lower band to E. 

Permalink Reply by Maurice on March 8, 2021 at 14:51

No luck, Rob

LonRes data for that period in north London is non-existent 

Castles in Hornsey may get back to me, but I very much doubt it

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