Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
London Transport - Bus Service Review Programme
The following from Joanne McCartney, Assembly Member for Enfield and Haringey, Greater London Authority :
Transport for London are beginning their 2010/11 bus service review programme, and I want to alert your readers to this important opportunity to tell Boris Johnson, what we want to get out of our bus services and about where we think the service is not up to scratch.
This consultation centres primarily on those bus routes, which are due to have their operator’s contract renewed over the next year or so. Bus companies will be able to bid for these contracts as they come up for renewal so this is an ideal time to suggest any changes or improvements which you think could improve services. In Enfield Borough, routes 692, 699, N29, 141 & 329 are up for renewal. In Haringey Borough, routes 210, 271, N271, 29, N29, 141, 329, 41, N41, 121, 153, 299, W4 & W5 are up for renewal.
If you think there aren’t enough buses, or find the existing buses unreliable, on any of these routes, find any unreliable or have suggestions for how they could be extended or altered to provide better transport links for your local community – for example to shops, leisure centres, or transport interchanges, now is your chance to let the Mayor know!
If you have any comments to make, please let me know by 27 March and I will include them in my representations to TfL. You can write to me at City Hall, Queen’s Walk. London, SE1 2AA or email joanne.mccartney@london.gov.uk
Yours sincerely
Joanne McCartney
Assembly Member for Enfield and Haringey
Greater London Authority
City Hall
The Queen's Walk
London SE1 2AA
Direct Line: 020 7983 4402
Fax: 020 7983 5679
Email: joanne.mccartney@london.gov.uk
Web: www.london.gov.uk
Transport for London are beginning their 2010/11 bus service review programme, and I want to alert your readers to this important opportunity to tell Boris Johnson, what we want to get out of our bus services and about where we think the service is not up to scratch.
This consultation centres primarily on those bus routes, which are due to have their operator’s contract renewed over the next year or so. Bus companies will be able to bid for these contracts as they come up for renewal so this is an ideal time to suggest any changes or improvements which you think could improve services. In Enfield Borough, routes 692, 699, N29, 141 & 329 are up for renewal. In Haringey Borough, routes 210, 271, N271, 29, N29, 141, 329, 41, N41, 121, 153, 299, W4 & W5 are up for renewal.
If you think there aren’t enough buses, or find the existing buses unreliable, on any of these routes, find any unreliable or have suggestions for how they could be extended or altered to provide better transport links for your local community – for example to shops, leisure centres, or transport interchanges, now is your chance to let the Mayor know!
If you have any comments to make, please let me know by 27 March and I will include them in my representations to TfL. You can write to me at City Hall, Queen’s Walk. London, SE1 2AA or email joanne.mccartney@london.gov.uk
Yours sincerely
Joanne McCartney
Assembly Member for Enfield and Haringey
Greater London Authority
City Hall
The Queen's Walk
London SE1 2AA
Direct Line: 020 7983 4402
Fax: 020 7983 5679
Email: joanne.mccartney@london.gov.uk
Web: www.london.gov.uk
Tags for Forum Posts: buses, consultation, public transport, tfl
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Was there ever a pedestrian tunnel under the railway at the top of Pemberton Rd where the garage is now or was that another weird dream?
BTW, Google maps thinks there IS a bus route along Wightman Rd.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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There was a tunnel under the New River further north before the railway was built. That's shows on mid 19th cent. maps. I heard some mention of the tunnel you refer to, but have never seen any evidence and can't work out where it would have been, nor can I see it on any 19th or 20th century map.
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Because, Stephen, Wightman is a narrow residential road that couldn't accommodate buses.
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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We'll have to agree to disagree on that one...
Wightman Road is no narrower than most of the streets served by the W5 and I'm only suggesting using the same type of vehicle..
I think it's ludicrous to expect people not to use their cars, when you expect them to trudge up the hill with shopping..
Another point, it might even help to cut down on other traffic using Wightman if buses were introduced.. getting stuck behind a bus is exactly what drivers using cut-throughs are trying to avoid...
After thinking about my earlier proposal, I would say Finsbury Park Station is the best destination..
So what about this as a routing for daytime 4bph service (every 15 mins) until 20:00.
Wood Green(Civic Centre), Wood Green tube, High Road, Turnpike Lane tube, Turnpike Lane, Wightman Road, Endymion Road, Upper Tollington Park, Stroud Green Road, Finsbury Park (Bus Station)
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No one would ever accuse me of not expecting people to use their cars. Au contraire, I'm teased for being ignition-happy.
I think Stephen you'll find that Wightman is narrower than all the roads used by the W5. The only reason it can take so much traffic is that cars on both sides are required top park half on the pavement. That's not the case, as far as I'm aware on any of the other roads used by the W5.
That apart, I doubt it would have any effect on traffic levels.
(I fell like I'm on dodgy ground here - to disagree with Mr Bus himself in a posting about buses seems foolhardy at best.........................)
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Permalink Reply by james walsh on
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Some good points
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Hugh is teased for being ignition-happy.
pooh pooh..
the old arguments are always the best...
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Yes Stephen, I agree. A regular bus service along Wightman Road at 5 minute intervals would be ideal. It might not have a calming effect on other vehicle users but it would certainly slow down the traffic - making a 20mph limit a pushover. Besides I'm a little tired walking down Mattison or Warham to catch a bus.
Ruth, the W5 was never meant to be a fast spaceship for escaping to the delights of Crouch End. It's a leisurely meandering wanderly sort of wagon for Harringayites and Harringaystationers attending schools (four secondaries, a few primaries), hospital, Archway tube, Highgate and, yes, Crouch End bookshops and cafes, Sainsbury's for those not fortunate enough to live in Harringay . In short, a godsend (if I may invoke the deity) which reaches corners of Haringey other buses disdain to touch.
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I completely agree that a bus along Wightman Road would be helpful. It would encourage people on ladder roads to use Hornsey or Harringay stations. It would slow traffic down on Wightman Road (a good thing in my opinion), and if it followed Stephen's option A to Crouch End we would have a bus link there from the middle of the ladder. It would all go to help make Wightman Road a more human-friendly environment.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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"It would all go to help make Wightman Road a more human-friendly environment."
Except for those of us who live on it.
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Possibly. I was thinking of a W5 type bus as a way of calming traffic on Wightman Road rather than making it worse, i.e. the bus as a means to an end (and to Crouch End). But if there are other, better ways to calm the traffic on Wightman Road then let's support them instead. It is a disaster at present.
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