Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Heavy Police Presence On Saturday Night.
Anyone know what it was all about. Green Lanes was blocked on two separate occasions and massed police were marching up and down with great purpose. It felt like a pre-planned operation, rather than reacting to some incident.
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Permalink Reply by Nicky
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You are deluded Gordon.
The reality was harsh, brutal and dehumanising.https://www.thecollector.com/what-were-the-most-terrible-acts-of-th...
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Permalink Reply by Gordon Farcas
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Were the introduction of western education, medicines, science, high yield agricultural practices, rule of law, judicial process, enlightenment thinking, art, literature, westminster parliamentary processes, democracy, separation of powers, minimisation of inter-tribal conflict, suppression of slavery etc etc etc all harsh, brutal and dehumanising?
No, I don't think so either.
Perhaps think about what our colonies were like before we arrived. How were they treated by their ruling elites? How did they treat their enemies? How regular were their famines? How many died from preventable illnesses and diseases? What were infant mortality rates like? Etc etc etc.
It's silly to impose our modern views on historical actors. It's better to compare those actors to their contempories.
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Yeah as I said you’re deluded. Imposing our views is exactly what we did. You are the one is looking through rose tinted glasses
‘Environmental degradation, economic underdevelopment, racial profiling, systemic racism, and poor social infrastructure manifested in unequal access to health care, education and social justice were among the effects of colonialism’
https://www.ohchr.org/en/get-involved/stories/racism-discrimination....
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Not at all. I suspect it is you who is looking at things through tinted glasses and with two Marxist lenses!
Let's look at your quote.
Environmental degradation - we left most colonies in the immediate post-WW2 period. Much of the degradation you're probably alluding to has been since then. Local responsibility.
Economic underdevelopment - similar to the point above. Most countries were well run with healthy economies full of potential when we left. What has happened since? Local corruption and mismanagement. I offer Jamaica and Zimbanwe (rather than Rhodesia) as examples.
Racial profiling - not sure what you mean in this context
Systemic racism - we kept most of this under control but you might want to consider the Indian caste system which was in place hundreds of years before we even got there and remains so. Or you could consider inter-tribal hatred and warfare which has been endemic in Africa for hundeds of years and its got nothing to do with lines we drew on maps. Consider the Bantu tribes or the Zulus. Not exactly friendly neighbours. We protected weaker tribes from stronger ones.
Poor social infrastructure - considering they had very little when we arrived we left them in a good position with trains, roads, schools and hospitals etc. Since then, well you know the answer.
Education - we gave them models, schools and trained teachers and many have done well as a result but many of our former colonies have simply not invested.
Heath care - similar to education, we gave them the tools and infrastructure but in many cases it wasn't maintained or prioritised.
Social justice - same as above.
Also, compare the state of our former colonies to those of France, Spain, Portugal, Belgium or Germany and ask yourself who was and is better off. And to make the comparisom easier you can exclude Canada, New Zealand, Australia and South Africa (well until recently anyway - thank you ANC).
You might also want to consider the Japanese, Ottomans or virtually any other empire in history. They weren't nice now were they.
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Permalink Reply by tigha
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So after turkey won their previous match, the goal scorer gave the "wolfs" finger salute. They are fascist brutal organisation. Then local Turks I think smashed up cars on green lanes. So assume the police presence was alive and expecting trouble
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