Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Harringay online For Harringay, Hornsey, Crouch End, St. Ann's and West Green in Haringey
I've just had an email from Harringay online which says 'Harringay Online For Harringay, Hornsey, Crouch End, St Ann's and West Green'
It must be a little bit puzzling for residents of Stroud Green, Noel Park and Seven Sisters, whose wards share a border with Harringay. Crouch End doesn't and yet it's been annexed. Is this some kind of selective lebensraum going on?
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Permalink Reply by Julie on
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Here's the map:
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wardmap.pdf, 40 KB
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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If you look top left of the website, the description box says:
The online home of all things Harringay with a good mix of Hornsey, Crouch End, St. Ann's, Stroud Green, and West Green.
The areas selected are those from which we have most signed-up users. The character limit means I can't add any more areas to the description than are already there.
What you picked up is the tagline. On the website this is permanently blanked out. I hadn't realised it got picked up in the newsletter. The tagline has a smaller character limit than the description so fewer areas can be included. Over and above what's already there, I can add no more than "Strou" which just looks silly!
No conspiracy here, I'm afraid, but it's useful to know that the tagline gets picked up.
The areas you identified are electoral districts (wards) that share boundaries with Harringay Ward. As I've explained before, I don't think in wards and I don't believe that the majority of people do. I think in neighbourhoods.
If I were to use the 'wards logic' I should also include New River and Brownswood to the south. They're not included because they're not neighbourhoods and we don't have that many members from those areas. I would also be looking to include all wards that share boundaries with wards which include part of Harringay neighbourhood. That means wards which share boundaries with Harringay, St Ann's and Seven Sisters wards. So, I'd also have to include Bruce Grove, Tottenham Green, Tottenham Hale and Springfield. Or I could just keep it simple and include the areas from which we have most members.
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Or you could just say, 'For the people of Harringay'
Anyway it's useful to have you around to be the final arbiter on what constitutes a neighbourhood and to know that you speak for most people on this. Many thanks.
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You can rest assured that I'm not trying to be the final arbiter of anything, Julie. When I first set the site up I explained that I wasn't sure what the boundaries of the neighbourhood were and changed them several times in response to open discussions. And we can all thank our lucky stars that I'm not trying to speak for anybody either. What I wrote is evidently a personal opinion. I wrote "I don't believe that the majority of people do".
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Sorry, Hugh. I'm confused. On another thread you wrote, 'Most people tend not to identify with parliamentary constuencies on the whole but with neighbourhoods.'
I'm also confused about the neighbourhood of St Ann's, where I live, presumably. As far as I'm concerned St Ann's is either a parliamentary ward or a psychiatric hospital, not a neighbourhood. But then I don't get to decide these things.
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I'm confused about your confusion. What are you confused about?
Luckily the authoritative British History Online isn't confused. In your area, it identifies the mid/late nineteenth century 'hamlets' of both St Ann's and West Green.
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I guess that's the nub of where we differ Julie. For me neighbourhoods are defined by the people that live there, out of historical context and common understanding. Your insistence on defining areas by electoral districts suggests that you see neighbourhoods as something that government defines.
That's all from me on this now. I think perhaps enough is enough.
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