Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Haringey Development Vehicle
For those interested finding out more about the controversial Haringey Development Vehicle there is a public meeting tonight at 7pm in the Wood Green Social Club, opposite the Haringey Civic Centre, Stuart Crescent, Wood Green N22 5NJ.
Leaflet attached.
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Permalink Reply by 2nb5m6nbeyrdi on
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The people organising and attending these meetings range from Labour members (including some Momentum), councillors, Lib Dems, local residents and apolitical people. People who live in the west of the borough and the east. This isn't "Jezzas army".
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There are far too many risks involved with the HDV; from what happens to existing tenants, to council giving away it's assets to a private developer to potential debts we may be saddled with. Aside from the tenants who will have to be rehoused from the houses/estates that are going to be demolished. People and families currently on the housing waiting list will have to wait even longer for any form of suitable housing. Just look at what happened with the Heygate estate in Southwark. In that development, Lend Lease was also the preferred partner and to date, Southwark council has not received a penny in the profit sharing scheme they entered into with Lend Lease.
Below is the perfect example of ineptitude which awaits us in Haringey.
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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I vaguely heard it was Wood Green Arranger. One of your relatives, FPR?
I went to listen and learn. People put money in the bucket to pay for hiring the hall. There's also a crowd fund appeal to support a legal challenge which I'll be putting money into.
I knew some of the people there. And some I met for the first time.
I sat next to Professor Michael Edwards who Zena and I had met once at a planning event. He has posted his contribution online here.
Rev Paul Nicolson was on the other side of me. Though he wasn't down as a speaker he said a few words anywhere. Since everything Paul says is both thoughtful and thought provoking I was pleased to hear his view.
A doctoral student named Joe Beswick spoke about research on these types of "vehicles" and set out both strengths and weaknesses of the approach. Something which Claire Kober and Alan Strickland seem unwilling to do.
You ask about the risks, FPR, and the Council's Scrutiny Panel had asked the same question. Specifically for the Risk Assessment which they assumed had been done. They never got it. The request has now been made again. It now seems highly likely that Haringey didn't actually do one.
So you'll realise that a decision on the largest and riskiest venture the current council will make - and possibly the largest and riskiest Haringey has ever made, has been pushed though without a Risk Assessment. I imagine this might be one very good reason why the High Court may tell the Kober Regime to go back to the drawing board.
Gordon Peters - who was another speaker - announced that a Letter Before Action" had been handed to Cllr Claire Kober that evening. I've read it and it's blisteringly critical.
One of the other aspects of the meeting was the wide range of brief comments and questions from people attending. On the whole, few were political points. And there were some people who had come along because they were worried about what would happen to their own homes.
Cllr Alan Strickland was invited. We were told that he had sent a tweet saying he wasn't coming.
Anyway, FPR, it's a shame you didn't go along. I dunno who anonymoose is but they are clearly well informed. And at every stage of this scheme we all need hard reliable truthful information. Not least because if - and more likely when - this scheme goes sour the financial damage to the borough is likely to be enormous. Which would affect not just people directly impacted who will have their homes ad businesses premises demolished. It would also affect the debt Haringey is saddled with for many decades; and restrict even further our Council's ability to provide vital services.
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@FPR
What the risk of not doing anything? How about council tenants and leaseholders remaining in their current homes, paying rent and council tax? Do you have anything substantial to add or are you from the school of:
1) We must do something;
2) This is something;
3) Therefore, we must do this
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So, in essence, your comments can be boiled down to soundbites and generalities and therefore, can be dismissed . Good to now.
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FPR,
Can you please point me to where exactly Haringey has these vast areas of "single storey single occupier" homes which are planned for transfer to the Haringey Development Vehicle and demolition.
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FPR, you made a point very strongly. But I didn't understand it.
I don't assume that you're wrong. It's simply that I couldn't get my head round what you actually meant.
So I asked you to illustrate your point with an example. I don't think that's unreasonable.
I've never claimed that land in Haringey or other parts of London shouldn't be developed or altered. Or that new homes aren't urgently needed. -
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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I've never claimed that land in Haringey or other parts of London shouldn't be developed or altered. Or that new homes aren't urgently needed. Alan S
Just not in your backyard.
It's all very well just criticising everything, but a few answers / solutions might be get us further. I'm not sure on your commitment to actually want to ease the housing shortage, which since the fall in rates of interest on invested money, has become the norm in most large European cities.
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"Just not in your backyard".
Untrue, Stephen.
"I'm not sure on your commitment to actually want to ease the housing shortage"
Untrue.
But once again to point out that we have never met. You know very little about me, but you seem to think it's okay to make up things about what's in my mind.
I don't make up things about you, what you think or your motivation. Why do you think this is a useful way to discuss serious issues?
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Correct, we have never met, but I do read your comments here, as well as your Twitter postings. All of them. I also wonder how many other HoL members you've actually seen in the flesh. Not many, I bet. In fact, probably not many more than I have met. So what's your point?
I'm aware that you told me that if I don't agree with your postings, not to read them. But of course that would make it very easy for you, wouldn't it? That's what's called 'drying up the opposition and trying to take control of the conversation'.
Talking down to people may well have worked in your councillor days. But here we're all equal - Well, I hope we are.
All my assertions are taken from your own comments. You are against development at Tottenham Hale. One of the best transport hubs in the Borough and an area where increased development is possible. But no, you are against it. (not in your ex-political backyard) In fact, you are against everything that those, who were once your colleagues and those who you used to support do.
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Stephen - Commenting on the style and height of buildings isn't the same as being against all development.
Obviously anyone can read my tweets and posts here. It seems that despite your strong disagreement you choose to follow what I post. I can't imagine why.
But again I'd politely ask you to refrain from making up imaginary stories about what you suppose I think. You really don't know. -
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