Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Guys hanging out at Turnpike Lane Station
Anyone recognise the group of young guys who always seem to be hanging outside the betting shop by the Tesco at Turnpike Lane Station? Are they the same group who were ASBOed off Duckett's Common? I've seen the same guys just hanging there about half a dozen times over the last few weeks. Definitely not there to have a flutter on the GGs...
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Permalink Reply by Cat on
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In the main, I agree with you. But using the resources I can immediately think of and the level of knowledge about the situation that I have, I was merely making a suggestion.
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Permalink Reply by Pete on
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You make some interesting points, but I'm not sure they're actually betting in the betting shops, they just seem to use it to dive in and out of when the police come past. Also...
'Those young people on turnpike lane are choosing the only way they know how to scrape a sense of power back'
I don't understand why you think these 10 or so men have no choice in life but to harass, terrify and mock people pushing children in buggies, old men in their 80s and women walking alone. If this were true why don't the other 99.9999999% of Haringey's male residents, many of them poor, feel the need to do this ?
'Each horrible comment or grossly inappropriate gesture is a mirror up to us all. We created it as a community somehow.'
Whilst I'm not disagreeing with you that there are problems in society that we need to address, we've only created this particular problem by allowing a tiny group of men to make life unpleasant for the rest of us.
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Permalink Reply by pamish on
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Are they men or boys? The former threaten me, the latter are just silly. (I'm not a girl, if I were I would prob finds boys threatening too.)
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Permalink Reply by Mavic Starfish on
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http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/aug/09/london-riots-fighting-nei...
In his coffee shop in Stoke Newington, Karagoz tried to explain another feature of these riots – why Turkish and Kurdish youths had generally not joined the looting.
"We have businesses and work hard for what we have. As parents we want our children to work, earn money and be able to buy what they want, not steal it. Our young people know we would be ashamed of them if they were doing this."
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I appreciate you're being sarcastic, but if it was you and your 2 year old son, or your Father / Grandfather, or your partner / wife being treated this way you wouldn't find it so funny.
Yes, I have reported these cases to the police as you can see from my other posts.
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So the rights of a group of drug dealers to abuse, humiliate and terrify an 80 year old man are more important than the right of the 80 year old man to be able to walk along the pavement without being abused. What a bizarrely uncaring attitude.
I do not want to be offered drugs and have my path blocked when pushing my 2 year old son along in his buggy - you might think this is all a bit of fun but I don't, and my son doesn't like it either, yet you think it's more important that we don't demonize the drug dealers accosting us.
You might see an intimidating group of drug dealers scaring the life out of an 80 year old man as a bit of fun but thankfully most local residents I've spoken to don't.
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Permalink Reply by Sharon on
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Are these scrawny young kids *really* that terrifying and monstrous? I've managed to sail past them with my kids quite easily. I hate it when our young people are demonised like this. They are powerless, have nothing.
I've also had conversations with my kids about walking on by when in a situation which might be uncomfortable, I've empowered them in ways to avoid or deal with a situation when offered drugs too. Having said that, if people are being abused, the old guy, the two year old, I'd have to step in and speak out and also report the abuse.
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You've been lucky then - an incident I witnessed last year a lone young woman was walking past and one of the group started flanking her and whilst holding his genitals said "You looking for a real man Darlin', I'll show you a good time, come back to my place" etc while the rest of the group stood by roaring with laughter. The woman clearly wasn't enjoying the attention and eventually blurted out "Please just leave me alone!" Her harasser's demeanor immediately changed and he shouted "F*** you you stuck up b*tch" at her as she hurried off down the road.
Many women have complained on here before of similar experiences from this group. Still, if like FPR you think the most important thing is that we don't 'demonize' these poor powerless young men for their behaviour, and it's somehow our fault because 'we've' made them act this way then there's not much else I can say.
And yes, as i say, I have reported these incidents to the police. I'm not claiming they harass me and my son every time we walk past but I've witnessed enough incidents to not think it's all just a harmless bit of fun.
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I didn't say that that was the most important thing, there's clearly an issue. Women get shouted at and abused all of the time, culturally it seems to be getting worse than in the 70's...as if feminism never happened! My 14 year old got hollered at by a bunch of builders in Bruce Grove in the middle of the day on her way to see her pal yesterday Try being a woman walking down seven sisters road and being hollered at by passing drivers...from all walks of life, not just lads hanging around in corners. If the incident with the woman you just described had happened to me I probably would've laughed and had a good retort lined up. Practice.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Follow Stella Creasy (MP for Walthamstow) on twitter, she has fantastic come backs for some of the crap people send her.
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Yes, I'm aware that unfortunately women get hassled all the time, but not usually by the same group of drug dealers standing in the same place every single day.
Good for you that you're able to deal with them without feeling frightened or intimidated, but please try and spare a thought for other women who do feel scared - they have a right to be able to walk along the street without being harassed.
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Of course! I gave my daughters experience as an example of this. We should all be able to walk freely without intimidation on our streets. Not easy in many parts of the borough but there are ways of protecting oneself and ones sanity. Humour helps. What am I going to do, panic and ring 101 whenever I walk past a gang of kids, smoking weed and leering? No, I'm more likely to engage with them. I have found telling them I know their Mum reduces them to quivering wrecks!
Have you spoken to the managers of Tesco and of the betting shop? If this crowd are affecting their trade they may want to help you deal with it.
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