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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

Notices have gone up in Finsbury Park and in the Enfield and Haringey Independent (20 December) concerning new licence applications from Krankbrothers.  Copies attached below.
Krankbrother want 1)  an additional Friday to be tacked on to one of their existing weekends so that there will now be two three day weekends.  This follows an additional Friday granted by the Licensing Committee in February last year.
and 2) they want the capacity audience to be increased from 8000 to 9999.  This follows an increase from 6000 to 8000 granted by the Licensing Committee in February last year.  
Representations to Haringey Licensing must be submitted by 15 January to licensing@haringey.gov.uk
(for some reason the web software flips the photos and I can't rotate them so that they are easily readable)

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They had very poor/non-existent wheelchair access two years ago. Lets hope they've improved. 

ChatGPT offers the following (perhaps ancient woodland is a stretch)

Please help me formulate objections to the following license application. The license is set to apply to an ancient woodland in the heart of the publicly owned Finsbury Park in Haringey. " yers ago the limit for the number of person allowed to attend was 6000. In order to erect accommodation for the drinkers Krankbrothers have cut branches off old trees, and have compacted the ground beneath the trees. The grassy surface is left in a state of disrepair after the evenet

Certainly, if you are looking to formulate objections to the license application for an event in an ancient woodland, you can consider the following points:

  1. Ecological Impact:

    • The proposed event has caused significant harm to the ancient woodland by cutting branches off old trees, thereby damaging the ecosystem and jeopardizing the health of the trees.
    • Compacting the ground beneath the trees can lead to long-term soil degradation and negatively impact the delicate balance of the woodland's flora and fauna.
  2. Violation of Attendance Limits:

    • The historical attendance limit of 6000 persons was established to protect the integrity of the woodland and prevent overuse. The proposed event exceeds this limit, indicating a potential disregard for environmental conservation.
  3. Habitat Disruption:

    • The erection of accommodations for the event attendees may disturb the natural habitats of various species within the ancient woodland, including flora and fauna that may be sensitive to human interference.
  4. Damage to Grassland:

    • The state of disrepair left on the grassy surface after the event raises concerns about the restoration and preservation of the woodland's natural features. The event's impact on the grassy surface should be thoroughly assessed and addressed.
  5. Community Impact:

    • Consideration should be given to the impact on the local community and park-goers who use Finsbury Park for recreational purposes. The proposed event may disrupt the peaceful enjoyment of the park by other users.
  6. Noise and Disturbance:

    • Events of this scale often generate considerable noise and disturbance. The potential impact on wildlife, as well as the peace and tranquility of the woodland, should be carefully evaluated.
  7. Lack of Conservation Measures:

    • The license application should be scrutinized for the absence of comprehensive conservation measures to mitigate the environmental impact of the event on the ancient woodland.
  8. Historical Preservation:

    • The ancient woodland likely holds historical significance. The license application should address how the event organizers plan to preserve and protect any cultural or historical aspects of the woodland.
  9. Enforcement of Regulations:

    • Past actions, such as cutting branches and compacting the ground, raise concerns about the ability and willingness of the organizers to adhere to regulations and commitments. The application should address how future compliance will be ensured.
  10. Alternative Locations:

    • Consideration should be given to alternative locations for such events that would have a lesser impact on ecologically sensitive areas, ensuring the continued preservation of the ancient woodland.

When formulating objections, it's essential to focus on specific and verifiable impacts on the environment and the community, emphasizing the need for responsible and sustainable use of public spaces.

Thank you - the application reads LICENSING ACT 2003 NOTICE OF APPLICATION FOR A PREMISES LICENCE Notice is hereby given that Krankbrother Limited has applied to the Licensing Authority of London Borough of Haringey to vary a Premises Licence to permit: Major variation to PL LN/000025053 to i) increase the capacity for the Premises Licence from 8000 to 9999 persons ii) add 1 x additional event day to the Premises Licence for an additional Friday adjacent to PL LN/000023717. Event opening hrs: 13:00-22:00. Licensable activities: ilms : 13:00 - 22:00, Recorded Music : 13:00 - 22:00, Live Music : 13:00 - 22:00, Performances of dance : 13:00 - 22:00, Supply of alcohol: 13:00 - 22:00 for the premises Krankbrother Event Site - Flnsbury Park Situated at Flnsbury Park, London N4 1EE.

Given the information provided in the license application, you can structure your objections to address specific concerns related to the proposed major variation. Here's a breakdown based on the details provided:

  1. Ecological Impact:

    • The proposed increase in capacity from 8000 to 9999 persons raises concerns about the potential exacerbation of ecological impact on the ancient woodland. This includes the risk of further damage to trees and the compaction of ground surfaces.
  2. Historical Preservation:

    • The application should explicitly address how the organizers plan to preserve and protect any historical or cultural aspects of the ancient woodland, given the increased capacity and additional event day.
  3. Wildlife and Habitat Disruption:

    • The major variation should include a comprehensive assessment of the impact on wildlife and the disruption of natural habitats caused by the increased capacity and extended event day.
  4. Noise and Disturbance:

    • The extended opening hours (13:00 - 22:00) for licensable activities, including live music and performances of dance, may result in increased noise and disturbance. The application should detail measures to mitigate these effects.
  5. Community Impact:

    • Consideration should be given to the potential impact on the local community, particularly during the additional Friday event day. Address concerns related to traffic, parking, and the overall disruption to the daily lives of residents.
  6. Restoration and Cleanup:

    • The license application should include a robust plan for the restoration and cleanup of the premises, especially the grassy surfaces, after each event to ensure the timely recovery of the woodland's natural state.
  7. Alternative Locations:

    • The application should provide reasoning for why Finsbury Park is the most suitable location for such large-scale events, and whether alternative locations were considered to minimize the impact on ecologically sensitive areas.
  8. Compliance and Enforcement:

    • Given the historical actions mentioned in your initial query (e.g., cutting branches), the application should detail how the organizers plan to comply with regulations and prevent any unauthorized activities that may harm the woodland.
  9. Public Safety:

    • The proposed increase in capacity warrants a thorough examination of public safety measures, including emergency access, crowd control, and first aid facilities.
  10. Consideration of Park Users:

    • The application should consider the interests of other park users who may be affected by the increased capacity and extended event day, ensuring that the woodland remains accessible and enjoyable for all.

When crafting objections, it's important to be specific, factual, and focus on the potential negative impacts on the environment, community, and public safety. Ensure that your objections are clear, concise, and address the key points raised in the license application.

The first of these events (in 2019 I think) only lasted 2 days, and was restricted to 3500 attendees, and it's grown in size and duration since then.

Unfortunately objections related to the negative environmental impact of the event aren't currently given consideration.  Objections need to fall under the following headings:

Prevention of Crime and Disorder; Public Safety; Prevention of public nuisance; Protection of children from harm

Locals sacrifice a hell of a lot for these private music events to go ahead, and I'm not sure we really see the benefits that justify the disturbance. The park should be paved with gold by now with the revenue, and thriving ecologically, and yet...

Studies also now show how little local businesses actually benefit from the events - punters go straight in and out of the tube station and are not allowed to leave the event on their tickets. Meanwhile this is prime summer weekend time that we can't use the nicest bit of the park, and are forced to endure the noise (you can't even hear the music properly), and all the antisocial behaviour that make the area less safe for kids. 

They also don't look after the ecology properly and breach the woodland trust guidelines every year. 

They are taking the absolute p*** now and the council just hand over the keys. 

Please do email the council with your representation if you feel similarly.




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