Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Dogs in parks proposed restrictions
Are people aware that there is a bill being proposed to enforce dog owners to keep their dogs in a lead at all times in certain Harringey parks. Responsible dog owners will be penalised for the a actions of irresponsible dog owners. We need to be vigilant that this doesn't go through. There is a page on Facebook - Responsible Owners Against Restrictions
Tags for Forum Posts: consultation, dangerous dogs, dog control orders, dog on leads, dog walking, dogs
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Permalink Reply by Bulent Ozlem on
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well, who are responsible dog owners? I got bitten by a dog at Finsbury Park a few months ago, although it was not serious bite, the owner was not able to control the excited animal.
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Permalink Reply by Protheroe O'Shea on
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As a responsible parent who is sick and tired of dogs running up and barking, sniffing, chasing and trying to bite my two year old whilst I have to ensure he doesn't pick up another dog turd, I constantly ask myself what the hell is wrong with the odd dog free park? I think it is wonderful idea. Imagine, if you will, a park in Haringey where children can run around, explore, climb, jump and play free from any form of canine intimidation and thier faeces.
Until ROAR can come up with a valid reason why some of Haringey's parks should not be free of out of control dogs, other than, it's not fair because responsible dog owners will be penalised for the actions of irresponsible dog owners,then I need to be vigilant that this bill does get through.
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Permalink Reply by 3peoau5zwym3j on
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I'm very sorry to hear that dogs are constantly trying to bite your two year old. That must be very distressing for you and your child and I sympathize with you.
I take my well behaved and controlled dog to a local park near my home every morning before going to work. There are NEVER any children or anyone for that matter in the park at that time apart from dog walkers. The park has two playgrounds both of which are fenced off and there are NEVER any dogs in there. Furthermore the park has a fenced off park area where dogs are not allowed.
And funnily enough there are NEVER any dogs in there and there are NEVER any children in there playing either. There are however many elderly dog owners who are not able to walk very far, there are also many elderly dogs who are not able to walk very far and the next park is at least a mile away. It would be impossible to walk my dog every morning if I suddenly was prohibited to use this park in the mornings or evenings when no-one else is in there anyhow.
I avoided this park when my dog was a puppy and children were playing football at weekends as he got excited and wanted to play along chasing the football - NOT the children. He's now nearly two and ignores children completely. However children don't always ignore him and some do bait him and try to excite him. He's so good natured he doesn't react to it.
I myself used to be scared of dogs until about three years ago and I know that when someone is scared they try to avoid an encounter with a dog at all costs. My three year old niece, her mother and my mother are also scared of dogs so I really do know what it is like.
Unfortunately some dog owners leave the dog mess behind, very few owners walk their dogs without a collar but equally I see mothers with their children dropping litter in parks and on pavements right next to rubbish bins on a nearly daily basis. Going to the park with my dog after a weekend means wading through empty plastic bottles, plastic bags, nappies and such like. Are we going to blanket ban all of those park users who leave that behind too?
It is unfortunate that some residents and some dog owners are irresponsible but punishing the vast and responsible majority by blanket banning dogs from parks is undemocratic and dictatorial.
Dog attacks are very rare and fortunately I have never seen one and dogs which are well behaved, good natured shouldn't suffer because of some sort of collective vendetta against dogs in parks.
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I am a RESPONSIBLE parent too and RESPONSIBLE dog owner too. I am sick of people who do not live with dogs generalising dog behaviour. dogs do not come to anyone in other to bite unless they are set up to do so by their owners. dogs meet any other living or not living thing by sniffing. they do not have visual way of memorising as strongas smelling way. they will not remember your face or colour of your eyes. they will remember your smell. that is way when they socialise they offer their nose to you. as they are not at our head height they smell or legs and that is how they form picture in their heads. all dogs love children as they have same happy energy like dogs. as We have dogs we know that dogs just like children need to be taught maners. maners when out and about how to approach other dogs and people. there are dog owners that have no idea how to do so but there are parents that are equally lazy and unwilling to teach their children how to behave. educate yourself and your child how to be around dogs. if affraid stand still, the dog will understand you are not interested in their play. we live with animals as our companions and have been since people exited on this planet. what you said here is untrue, dogs don't run to you to bite but to play. i understand that you may not want that but there are ways to show it and express it. if another child run to yours and started playing rough or throwing sand in your kid's eyes you would react and sort it out with the mother or father of that child but would not go and rant against all childen would you? when we are in the parks all year around being eyes and ears of open spaces helping keeping it safe especially for women on their own or mums taking their kiddies to school or a walk. there have been many times we helped when attcks are happening or stalking from strange characters. rethink how you see things. you may not like dogs and that is fine but do not ask for impossible. i fully agree on no dogs in playgrounds and keeping them under control. but thay are part of our society and if you allow your child to meet dogs and understand it would be better for you and your child. as for turds I am equally annoyed but as I pick up after my dogs some don't just as some parents teach kids to pick up their litter and dropped sweets or icecreams or chewing gums some don't.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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Vicki, there was a conversation on this same topic a few weeks back when the folk from ROAR were contributing.
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Unless you want to live in a fascist state then you should NEVER punish the majority because of the actions of the few.
Most dog owners are responsible people, most have adopted dogs who needed homes in good faith knowing they could exercise their dogs in their nearby park. How will the decision be made to make one park dog free over another? What about the many old people who cannot travel further than their nearest park? Should they be made to give up their companion? Perhaps they should be given equal use of the pram space on buses so they could make the mile journey to the nearest dog friendly park? Perhaps being older and in more need they should get preference over younger healthier mothers?
If you want to punish the majority because of the actions of the few then here are some other suggestions;
All mothers should be banned from parks because a few of them throw used nappies and cigarette butts onto the floor.
All children should be banned from the park because some throw of them litter the floor. Some set fire to bins, some spit and some fight.
All humans should be banned from the park because a few vandalise equipment and some (I have witnessed this myself) use the park to defecate. Other use parks for sexual activities and drugs.
I also believe these enforcements are racist, ageist and based on cultural differences. I think some people see young men with ‘hoodies’ and dogs and assume that they are a problem. If you engage with these people you will see many are dedicated and responsible dog owners who shouldn’t be punished for the actions of a few. In some cases mixing with other dog owners is the only positive time they get to spend with adults.
Dogs need off the lead exercise if they do not get it then even the most well cared for dog becomes a problem in just a few days. I fully agree that some areas in parks should be dog free but dog free parks will punish good, ordinary people and their pets unfairly.
I detest bad dog owners but also detest reactionary measures and reactionary people who haven’t thought through the consequences.
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Ah the old fascist card eh. I wondered how long it would take for that one to raise its ugly head. Sorry but I can't enter into any form of discussion with anyone ignorant enough to choose to play that game.
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Are you sure? You did feel compelled to reply though.
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Permalink Reply by ElleCarumba on
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Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies[1][2]) is a humorous observation made by Mike Godwin in 1990[2] that has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."[2][3] In other words, Godwin observed that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably criticizes some point made in the discussion by comparing it to beliefs held by Hitler and the Nazis.
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Permalink Reply by David Barry on
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Indeed. Hitler liked dogs, so the conclusion is obvious. And dont get me started on vegetarians....
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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he was also afraid of close contact with women..
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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A frustrated, underexercised dog is a dangerous dog. Risk management means taking reasonable care to minimise risk - not going to extremes to eliminate risk entirely.
Looking at this from another perspective - will those 20ft long extending leads be allowed ? A twitchy dog could do a lot of damage before the owner could regain control.
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