Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Dear cat owners ....
.... For weeks now we have had a pair of robins nesting in our ivy. They put up with my family going in and out of the garden, danced around us, flitting here and there, always busy. It's been an absolute joy.
No more. The baby robins are dead.
If you've got a cat, put it on a leash. Our bird populations are getting decimated. Keep your cat inside or don't have one at all. Otherwise you, not the cat, are responsible for our declining wildlife.
No more. The baby robins are dead.
If you've got a cat, put it on a leash. Our bird populations are getting decimated. Keep your cat inside or don't have one at all. Otherwise you, not the cat, are responsible for our declining wildlife.
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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..you lost your robins... That's due to animal instinct - Cat's are programmed hunters- mine kill anything from flies, mice, butterflies and the one sparrow that flew in through the window.. and always eat them..
Life is hard .. looking at an antelope on TV being gobbled up by lions isn't any different.. but we don't go around saying put lions on a leash..? You are mixing human feelings with animal instinct.. A dangerous thing to do
Maybe it was your fault for encouraging (feeding) them to nest too low? I'm sincerely sorry if your kids are upset.. but it is a good lesson for them too..
Waiting for a bird to fly in: Coco & Otto at home..
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Permalink Reply by matt on
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Nice apartment Stephen. Just as well the cats are trained (or re-programmed) not to crap all over it.
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I think you are confusing cats with dogs.. you obviously don't know cats do you?
Oh and BTW, Pigeons are called 'Flying Rats' in German and Robins? Perhaps 'Flying Field Mice'?
PPS. Sitting on the table is definitely not allowed - That's why they look like butter wouldn't...
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Know cats very well. Grew up with dog, cats, rabbits, bird, even a lamb for a few weeks. The cat was a very efficient killer. Both cats and dogs need training so as to not to crap all over nice apartments etc. :)
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I'm afraid I'm not sure why you have a hang up about cats crapping everywhere.. they don't - I've had cats continually for over 30 years and I could count on one hand how often it happened - and then only because of very bad illness.. Cat's don't do that if they are happy and contented..
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Permalink Reply by Sapphireblue on
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Matt - I share your pain and disappointment. However having had cats myself, I know that the above measures are not practical or kind for cats. They are killers. The only thing that stopped my cats in the end was putting bells around their necks - my last cat had 2 bells at any one time. These are harmless and cheap ways to warn the birds.
The other thing I'm thinking about are ways to protect a nest in your garden from cats. Rather too late now (but might help for next year) I have chopped up a spiky woody dead lavender bush and made a lattice around the area of the nest with the spiky bits pointing down - The ivy should grow to cover it all . I THINK(?) I've made the nest quite unapproachable by cats now.
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Permalink Reply by Birdy_Too on
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Can I remind all children to be on leashes with muzzles and to keep the noise down as they disturb pretty much everything : ) I shall be out on Monday morning looking for infants treading on those lovely snails. Can all children hover to school, please.
There's hardly anything natural anymore and we are lushly domesticated now and have left the cave and mud hut behind. We are all Ms Earths Creatures and there's nout more natural than cats chasing after birds and mice, it happens in the wild, it happens in suburbia.
Without wanting to sound like a columnist from the Sun, the worlds gone mad a tell thee!
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There's hardly anything natural anymore
That is the weakest argument anyone can come up with. I take it you don't believe in conservation then.
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I certainly do Matt, far more than most. I was heavily involved in conserving foxes for a long time, stopping cats chase after birds and mice is futile, this is natural and I would assume you would want to curtail our urban foxes too? The conservation argument is always used even the British Field Sports Society harp on about it, it's completely un-natural to intervene especially when it isn't needed, I tried many times as a kid with my cat.
Not all small creatures survive past infancy, this happens all over this planet and it's no different in Harringay. It's a dog eat dog (well cat eat Robin) world out there and when I see them damn birds eat those worms it makes my blood boil!
Cats still live a relatively natural existence even as domesticated animals, they go out look after their turf, hunt for play and sometimes food and pop back through the catflap for tea.
If you find it upsetting don't watch any natural TV programs or have an interest in nature - it's a viscous world at times. When children see this, it is heartbreaking but it's a great learning curve and cue the endless questions.
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Birdy - No, we have to intervene unfortunately because impact upon 'natural' environment from humans is massive. And that is documented daily in the news, especially now that the mainstream media have woken up to environmental issues.
Curtail urban foxes; why?
Tom - declining bird populations are well documented. I'll let you do the search.
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Yes, I get your point Tom.
It's really about the enjoyment of having a pair of nesting birds in our garden, which is then destroyed in seconds by someone else's cat. Said cat eats one or two baby birds and then craps nearby (poo yellow, same colour as birds) and leaves the others dead.
I couldn't give a damn about the cat's need to hunt. We've had to use a high pitched sounder to repell cats from crapping in our front garden. They're a pest.
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