Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Council Seeks to Move Crossrail 2 from Centre to North of Borough - Last Chance to TfL What you Think
As a result of the Council's aspirations for Wood Green, a further option has been added to the Crossrail 2 route. They want the Ally Pally option routed via Wood Green instead of Turnpike Lane.
Whilst this option may serve the Council's own aspirations, it moves the station away from a point that's as close to the centre of the borough as it's possible to get to one towards the northern boundary. The Turnpike Lane option also looks to be much better connected by road and I believe by bus too. What's more is that the Wood Green option would call for a huge ventilation shaft to be dug in Downhill's Park.
The TfL consultation ends on 8th Jan. If you'd like to have your say on this option click through to the consultation main page or go straight to the questions (If you're only interested in this part of the consultation, you need do no more than answer four questions and give your name.
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Permalink Reply by Stephen Middleton on
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Yup
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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So I can't see why ultimately TfL would want to go for that option (perhaps they don't). It seems to come along with significant public transport downsides. Just about the only upside I can see is that it serves the Council's aspirations for WoodGreen.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Wood Green mall would make a great datacentre and you could just put all the retail on the high street. Nobody above it would have to pay for heating or hot water either.
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As long as there's still a place for Mauritius Paradise, the main reason to visit Wood Green.
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As long as there's still a place for Mauritius Paradise, the main reason to visit Wood Green.
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on
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Hugh, following your endorsement (so good you posted it twice!) I patronised Mauritius Paradise. I had the Fish Vindaye in a wrap. It was delicious, just what I needed.
The lady behind the counter was happy to confirm that MP receive no subsidy from Local Government: and she was happy that I post that.
Their fortunes will depend on the quality and reception of their fare.
Disclosure: I have no personal or financial interest in Mauritius Paradise. I do have an interest in the finances of Haringey Council and I try to identify waste.
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Permalink Reply by doug on
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It's very interesting how Woodside Councillor Charles Wright tells everyone the the WoodGreen site was 'TFL proposal' in his latest blog, and again how it is pretty much a done deal.
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Permalink Reply by matt on
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If it's a 'done deal' it'll probably be because Tfl see more property development potential at WG.
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Here are some interesting snippets from a page on Crossrail's website which may be a key to understanding the Council's thinking as well as being informative for local residents.
Crossrail has integrated the designs for 12 major property developments over and around its central London stations and other key infrastructure as part of the project. Development plans cover over three million sq ft of high quality office, retail and residential space between Paddington and Woolwich.
Income from Crossrail property development is targeted to generate approximately £500 million, which forms part of the core Crossrail funding strategy. Six development partners are already collaborating with us and we are seeking partners for the remaining sites. Crossrail and its partners have gained planning consent for the majority of the schemes and the last few planning applications have been submitted.
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PROPERTY IMPACT STUDY, 2012
GVA were commissioned by Crossrail in 2012 as independent property advisors to conduct research into Crossrail’s projected property impacts.
They concluded that property values around Crossrail stations would increase by 18 per cent overall, over and above the general market growth otherwise predicted.
The report’s key findings include:
- Crossrail is already having a positive impact on investment decisions and at many locations Crossrail will be influential in supporting and influencing new development;
- Commercial office values around Crossrail stations in central London will increase over the next decade, with an uplift of 10 per cent in capital value above an already rising baseline projection;
- Residential capital values are projected to increase immediately around Crossrail stations in central London by 25 per cent, and by 20 per cent in the suburbs, again above a rising baseline projection; and
- In many locations, Crossrail will have a transformative effect on the property market and development activity over time.
One wonders how far the effect spreads. What, for example, would be the effect on Harringay in this regard, of having the station located at Turnpike Lane vs a more northerly site?
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I have mixed feelings on the proposals, while I'd rather a new connection at Turnpike Lane as it's closer to me, Wood Green does seem to make more sense. If stations are at Turnpike Lane and Ally Pally, people will use the stations but there's not a lot of scope for redevelopment - maybe some improvements here and there and yes there's the little bus station. But if they build it at Wood Green, not only will people use the station but it will greatly help with regeneration of an area that has a lot of potential and otherwise probably won't get much of a financial or political injection.
Wood Green does have a town centre sort of feel to it, though almost ruined by The Mall and some bad planning over the years. Turnpike Lane really is just a crossroads. There's nowhere at TL to make it a "destination" (yes Green Lanes is a destination but it's pretty far from Turnpike Lane), and Alexandra Palace will also probably benefit from Thameslink improvements allowing cross London travel.
So while CR2 at TL would undoubtedly benefit Harringay, I have to say I'd quite like to see Wood Green be redeveloped to it's potential too. Either way it's good for the area.
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Permalink Reply by Matt on
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Turnpike Lane ticks all boxes - it would still serve a 'town centre' at Wood Green, being at the bottom of that stretch of road, whilst also serving the equally deserving of the title 'town centre' of Green Lanes.
A station at Wood Green would result in a large stretch of track between the stations to the south and the Wood Green site, resulting I'm sure in something of a 'Crossrail desert' between them.
Ignoring the option of a station at Ally Pally is also bizarre, given the need increasingly for the venue to earn its own keep, surely held back by its limited transport options.
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