Does Haringey Recycling programe - have a true Carbon footprint

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Permalink Reply by Omotn on November 21, 2008 at 19:17

The reason I have not added Cllr Haley's response here is twofold
1) because he forbade me to
and
2) I've been busy
Item 1) is a complete mystery to me - why should a councillor, a cabinet member no less, go to the trouble of crafting (or having crafted\0 a really quite decent response to a constituent's query and then fo9rbid its circulation? Is he telling me one story and LF MP another? I she ashamed to be able to put together cogent, articulate, grammatically correct, well spelt documents? Or is he just joshing? I think I can reveal that he refers to these two links http://www.greenwich.gov.uk/Greenwich/YourEnvironment/RubbishRecycl... and www.islington.gov.uk/recycling as they are very clearly in the public domain. I suspect they duplicate what is on Bob's links above as the Greenwich MRF is run by Veolia.
However his reply does prompt me to ask what we mean by recycling. To me we have a cycle - i.e. a process which goes around in a loop and comes back to the beginning and starts again, so water evaporates from river or sea, vaporises into cloud, falls as rain or such, exists as river or sea, evaporates, ets. Given the essentially cyclical nature of cycles, you could argue that the "re" bit ( a prefix implying that something happens again as in reiterate, or perhaps Cllr Haley re-elect) is tautologous, unless its purpose is to emphasise just how often the cycle will take place. I think of the milk bottle of old, sterilised, filled and emptied over and over again as the almost perfect example of recycling. I seem to recall that reusing glass consumes one seventh the energy of making new.
So Lynne F's example of the wine bottle being crushed and buried after one use (an example which Cllr Haley confirms) is definitely not recycling.

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Permalink Reply by Stuart on November 21, 2008 at 22:54

I think he forbade you because he's scared he'll get a reputation as someone who responds to correspondence.

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Permalink Reply by Birdy_Too on November 22, 2008 at 10:18

I am sure over the coming years the recycling procedure will get better and more advanced.

I am sure it is far from perfect at the moment but it is far better than when I first started in the late eighties carrying all my bottles to the Supermarket in Stoke-on-Trent.

It will take generations to change the mindset and cynical opinions people have about, reduction, reusing and recycling. For me all these local council initiatives are part of that and to persuade all into getting people to think in a certain mindset.

The Biggest problem is not materials, where to recycle and whether they are recyclable; it is the companies and supermarkets that produce this mountain of un-recyclable trash. It needs to take one major supermarket or brand to take a lead on this, that would start the ball rolling, they won’t because it costs 0.05 pence more per pack.

The only way this is going to happen is if we bring legislation in banning certain plastics. I work in the packaging design industry for my sins and am probably one of its biggest critics. They don’t give a damn no matter how much eco-marketing they fool you with. Over packaging is the biggest sinner here in my opinion.

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