Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
10 April St Anns Byelection - help oust Labour
Remember to vote or Labour will get in again and it will be the same old story for a few more years.
The Greens nearly won last time and only need a handful more votes to get across the line.
And remember to take ID.
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Permalink Reply by Martin (Woodside) on
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We are though, witnessing the inevitability and irony of left devouring left.
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on
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Beyond St Ann's and Haringey, we are witnessing Reform UK gaining ground.
The splitting of votes on the right is being felt in different ways.
For example, in Newcastle Under Lyme at the last General Election, a former New Labour Haringey councillor is unlikely to have won without Reform dividing Conservative support.
Will Reform devour the Conservatives and is that inevitable?
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Permalink Reply by Gordon Farcas on
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I don't think it's the splitting of votes on the right but splitting of votes along class and patriotic lines across the political spectrum.
For instance, many traditionally Labour-held seats in working class areas are moving to Reform. Similarly, working class people in traditionally Conservative-held seats are moving to Reform too.
Basically, those who suffer the worst effects of globalisation and mass uncontrolled immigration are voting Reform because noone else is listening to them. This is not just the English, Scottish and Welsh but also the broader British population including the second and third generation Carribeans and Indians who arrived before the 1990s.
The middle classes in the inner cities who have gained from mass immigration (eg. Tax free, cheap cleaners, handymen and junk food deliveries) and who have been insulated from the downsides (eg. Competition for housing, school places, medical services, suburban street crime and anti-social behaviour) are switching from Labour to the LibDems and the Greens.
The Conservatives are done for. The same is happening to Labour. They are splitting between the emergent Blue Labour movement (economically left, socially conservative and anti-globalist) and the.client Muslim vote. The latter I expect will also leave Labour as the emergent Islamic party gets stronger (5 MPs elected in this parliament) and bound to increase given the opposition among many Muslim voters to the Labour Government's position on Israel's response to the Hamas attacks.
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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Some interesting points of view, Gordon Farcas. Though also confusing as you don't cite any persuasive sources. Or solid aurguments.
To take just one obvious and important example, it's not just Muslim voters in UK towns who may be sickened by the Israeli Government. Before you make a conclusive judgement on Hamas you might consider giving some attention to the many Israelis - often now expats - who don't condone genocide; nor the murder of civilians including babies and small children. Nor the bombing of hospitals, schools, or medics, nor UN staff. Nor taking of hostages - on either side.Whoever Does It.
Anyone seeking a scholarly factual account of events in Gaza in the years BEFORE Hamas attacked on 7 October 2023 I'd advise them to read the U.S. author Norman G.Finkelstein
Gaza: An Inquest into Its Martyrdom a book about the Gaza Strip published in 2018.In addition I urge anyone who values truth to read a collection of current pieces (now published in English) by the Israeli journalist Gideon Levy. He begins in 2014 and updates the tragedy.
"The Killing of Gaza - Reports on a Catastrophe".
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Maybe, Martin (Woodside), you'd like to believe there's some sort of inevitable Left "devouring"?
Conversely have you ever served on a jury? Or one of many focussed task groups which benefit from listening to and sharing/comparing divergent views?From a different tradition I imagine that having a formal "devil's advocate" role can lead to similar benefits.
Occasionally this time of the year I reread Dostoyevsky's story-within-a-story "The Grand Inquisitor.
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As you ask Alan...
I haven't actually served on a jury, the one time I was called up I wasn't chosen.
As for focussed task groups, largely on a commercial basis. Although It did involve new ideas and team suggestions it was tied in with the ethos of customer service, improved efficiencies, viability and departmental savings. I have also done voluntary work for schools and neighbourhood watch, both of which have meetings involving very divergent views (as you can imagine).
Although I do have some Russian novels on the shelf, my favourites has to be Guy de Maupassant's and Somerset Maugham's short stories. I am currently plodding slowly through the complete works of Saki.
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Thanks Martin.
A serious response and food for thought.
Alan
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I loaned the Greens my vote as a tactical move to help oust the Haringey Labour Party from my ward. Labour had taken the ward for granted for years, decades even. Its councillors were invisible. In one case quite contemptuously.
I have now withdrawn my tactical support for the Greens because of the the involvement of the clearly anti-semitic Mothin Ali and his Islamist colleagues in the Greens party and because of the unrealistic policies espoused by the new leader Zac Polanski (the man who sought to use hypnotism to help women increase their bust sizes).
I would welcome the inclusion of two independent candidates on the ballot for St Anns ward at the next election provided they focus solely on local issues.
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Brian Mahoney, I'm puzzled by your comment above and would very much appreciate some clarification.
If you dislike the candidates planning to stand in St Anne's ward why not stand yourself? I think that of the three right-wing main parties, the Incredibly Shrinking Starmers have already selected their candidates. That still leaves two more parties who may be willing to consider you.
It looks as though the current fragmentation means everything is up for grabs on the right.
For years I have tried to make up my own mind which of my ward's candidates I may be worth walking to the local polling station to vote for. But this time so far I haven't yet seen a single local leaflet except one from the Labour Party. That was deeply dull and uninspiring. Maybe that's the strategy? Bore us into staying at home\.
By the way - what exactly do you object to with Zac and Ali in the GreenParty? Aren't you against Genocide? It still continues. Would you vote for any pro-genocide candidate whichever Party they belong to?
I will not!
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