Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Oxford Street to be pedestrianised by 2020 ... so Wightman Rd ...
... can surely be closed to through traffic in the future, as it currently is during the bridge works. If the planners can deal with the re-routing of all those buses and taxi journeys away from Oxford Street for the pedestrianisation plans, it must be possible to do this for Wightman Road as well.
Living Wightman would do well to have a chat with the new Mayor's office.
Tags for Forum Posts: traffic, wightman bridge closure
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Permalink Reply by JoeW on
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I agree we need a capital wide solution, but that is in addition to not an alternative to traffic reduction measures on the Ladder.
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Permalink Reply by ant on
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Its just not true or fair to say that the Ladder must remain open for all through traffic when over the years the Ladder has become completely surrounded by OTHER AREAS CLOSED TO THROUGH TRAFFIC - the Gardens, Hermitage, Stroud Green, Woodlands - its all those areas being closed to through traffic that are causing this current Green Lanes and area wide congestion just as much as the Wightman closure.
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Permalink Reply by Charlotte A on
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How is Woodlands closed to through traffic?
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That barrier on Woodlands doesn't stop traffic though, and trucks/lorries can just bomb up Glenwood or Avondale and get round it because there's nothing further up the road.
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That Park Rd one is completely effective though isn't it? And I'm pretty sure residents around Woodlands think that one is effective enough to want to keep it.
I'd love to get some of those types of things over here for the Ladder, can we have your support?
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I would put those barriers on the ladder, although they already kind of have them due to having parking either side of the road, thereby narrowing the carriageway already. I don't think that Park Road one is effective at stopping traffic in the whole area though - if might be effective at stopping lorries going up that part of Woodlands Park Road, but instead they just bomb up Glenwood and Conway/Clarendon, neither of which has a barrier.
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"I don't think it's fair to expand the number of lanes on Green Lanes to compensate for the closure of Wightman Road. A red route will spoil the area and make it hostile to pedestrians."
I have some sympathy with this view. The thinking behind creating extra lanes was to ensure buses could travel unimpeded in either direction. Maybe this isn't necessary, if a different traffic calming approach is taken - perhaps such as with Wood Green - the measures there included widening the pavements, creating two good lanes, but with space for buses to pull in at busstops. Loading bays are sort of shared with pedestrians on the wider pavements. Some of the designated pedestrian crossing areas are achieved with a central island without traffic lights.
I doubt Wood Green is perfect but maybe it provides a traffic-calmed model which could be implemented on Green Lanes?
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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As people on HoL have observed, the partial closure of Wightman Road has unintended consequences. Consequences which could and should have been treated as a real life experiment. A great opportunity to learn from before, during and after. And to collect data and turn it into information and - if possible some wisdom. Drawing lessons and planning differently for the future.
How far is that opportunity being taken - wholly or in part? I don't know. I hope it has been seized enthusiastically. Not just because it may change the quality of lives of being living on the ladder roads. But because it could offer a model for other such "experiments" elsewhere in the borough and further afield.
As the architect Jan Gehl has often said, planners know a lot and measure a lot about traffic. But far less about life and people and having lively, liveable healthy cities for human beings.
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Permalink Reply by Finsbury Park Ranger on
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... Or move to a nice quiet cul- de-sac, maybe in a cheaper area and forgo the allure of having 29 kebab shops near you on one street for healthier lungs? I lived on a cul-de-sac In Wood Green and couldn't hear any traffic apart from the odd ambulance now and again. It is possible if you look hard enough.
Regarding transport shouldn't we be thinking bigger and just ban internal combustion engines in London ? Fiddling around with minimising traffic in some spots is lacking imagination. Let's make London the first pollution free city, no ? None car drivers are the majority, we could do it.
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FPR - Lots of people do live in small areas of London which deter, block, or in some ways restrict through vehicle traffic, while letting in bikes, walkers and emergency services and deliveries/service vehicles.
Have you seen this article about possible plans for Barcelona? It seems to be aiming at something similar. They seem to serious pollution problems. (Apologies if someone else has already posted this, and I missed it.)
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Nice idea. I prefer the cul-de-sac isation strategy more myself though. Aim for a nice round number ( like 10% of roads to be 'cul-ed' by 2018 ). Make a portion of each cul-de-sac a community garden / gym / other nice feature and let the local roads benefit from a mini park where possible. Slow the traffic down everywhere else making everywhere else safer. Push people onto bikes and tubes. Make London a better living experience but allow all roads to be accessible for everyone.
Possibly could be quite a future proof if you installed drone landing spots in each cul-de as well.
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