Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Wood Green getting crossrail 2
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Permalink Reply by pamish on
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"...for the acquisition of Alexandra House in Wood Green, N22, for £14.0m. Alexandra House is a 55,000 sq. ft. office building, currently let entirely to the London Borough of Haringey at a passing rent of £10 per sq. ft., reflecting a capital value of £255 per sq. ft. and a net initial yield of 3.7%. A rent review is due in February 2016 and the lease expires in 2021. The property is built over 11 floors with excellent natural light and easily divisible floor plates."
So we're paying half a million ££ a year in rent for this, and it's better for it to be sold to some bunch of shysters rather than the council acquiring its own property when money has never been cheaper? I'm no economist but even I realised I was better off scraping together a mortgage than paying rent all my life. I bet a mortgage would be cheaper to service than £1/2m p a.
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Permalink Reply by Kate F on
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Just completed my response to the consultation today (kept putting it off). If anyone else is interested, it closes tonight.
I'm really not thrilled by either plan, as the High Road is often uncomfortably crowded as it is, and a station at Wood Green OR Turnpike Lane would make that worse. I would rather that a new station was created away from the High Road, to open up new areas. Between the choices we have, the loss of the cinema would grieve me, but I live very close to Alexandra Palace and I'm even more concerned about what it would mean for the area.
Due to the proximity of the hill, the area around AP Station is very tight, and I am dubious that it could accommodate the promised new homes, the increased traffic or bigger crowds arriving directly to the Palace. I have also read that there will be some duplication of purpose between the Alexandra Palace and New Southgate plans. I think I would prefer one station at Turnpike Lane, with an extra exit half way down the High Road (as someone here suggested) because I think that end of the High Road needs it more - but I'm generally uncomfortable about the whole Crossrail project. I don't trust that it will be done in the right way for all the communities affected.
Don't really care about the value of my home - don't want to move. I'm not a proper Londoner (just any old soft southerner), but I do care about Wood Green and want it to do well. I don't want it to suffer for lack of transport, but I'm scared that developers will screw it all up. Urgh.
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Thank you Kate, for a good summary of the situation.
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on
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A report out today by the National Infrastructure Commission (NIC):
(a) urges Crossrail 2 to go ahead urgently and
(b) recommends delaying the northwestern part to New Southgate:
The NIC suggested improving its affordability by delaying the north-western branch to New Southgate, which could reduce costs in the 2020s by around £4 billion.
(Midlands Express & Star).The unwisdom of the Council's preferred option (#4) for Wood Green is now further exposed. Not only is Wood Green unlikely to get Crossrail 2 in any event, the boosting of this unrealistic "option" may contribute to an overall delay.
The pushing of this route for no better reason than to make Wood Green more attractive to property developers has led to confusion and uncertainty. While the Council sees it as supporting its property development, the Infrastructure Commission says:
The case for deferring the north-western branch of the Crossrail 2 tunnel, serving Seven Sisters, Turnpike Lane, Alexandra Palace and New Southgate, merits particular scrutiny. The core benefit provided by this branch is its relief of the Piccadilly line, through the connection at Turnpike Lane, but this is less crowded than the Victoria and Northern lines in the early 2030s, as it will have more recently benefited from new capacity through the New Tube for London programme. The branch does offer some additional relief for the Victoria line, but many of these benefits would be likely to be delivered in any case through the link to the Victoria line at Tottenham Hale. Its impact in terms of unlocking new housing is also much smaller than from any other major part of the Crossrail 2 scheme, as shown in the table below.
Transport for a World City (p.45)
Media: Midlands Express & Star
Not sure if this will be highlighted at MIPIM at Cannes next week.
CDC
Haringey Councillor
Liberal Democrat Party
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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No Clive, however much anti-Haringey Labour spin you might want to put on this, the NW Branch to from Seven Sisters to New Southgate has always been a no-no. I've been saying this for a long time now. Even with a station at Turnpike Lane, the benefits/usage don't/won't ever justify the cost. In fact, the council should be congratulated on trying to get more investment into the Borough than was ever going to be possible.
As I've written before, a Crossrail connection on to the Lea Valley line will happen, but I doubt that Harringay or Southgate will ever be part of it.
Let's us also be spared it being called the Philip, Charles or Camilla line too !
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Permalink Reply by Finsbury Park Ranger on
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The gypsy curse lingers on ....
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Stephen, if you're right—that a NW Branch for X-rail-2won't ever happen—then doesn't this
In fact, the council should be congratulated on trying to get more investment into the Borough than was ever going to be possible.
… amount to a waste of time, money and effort?
At MIPIM in Cannes next week, the Council will be trying to court sovereign wealth funds and their like. But would-be big investors can read the Internet also.
The realistic thing to do would be for the Council to withdraw their misguided Preferred Option for Wood Green (Option 4). It's contingent on Crossrail-2 having a station there—and that's now less likely to happen than ever, something about which we might agree.
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No, I think that a policy of taking the investment money while it's going was probably the correct thing to do. But if someone had taken the time to read what was being said and written in transport circles, then it soon would have become apparent that the NW branch was a ludicrous idea.
The geography of the line and the branch, just go against all ideas and experience of well thought out transport planning and policy. But I do fully understand why Harringay residents would be positive to the idea of another available (railed) public transport alternative.
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Permalink Reply by Mavic Starfish on
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Councillor Kober interviewed on the Local news @ 10.30 last night saying that she thought it would be a big mistake if they cancelled the Turnpike Lane Wood Green ally pally extension,
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can they cancel both, isn't it an either / or ?
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Both what?
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Both options put forward by TFL
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