Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Wood Green getting crossrail 2
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Permalink Reply by Robert Pike on
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This appeared in BD today. Already looking to cash in!!!!
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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I've been saying for a while that Wood Green library is going...
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Permalink Reply by Julia B on
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The Crossrail 2 route via Wood Green as a choice over stops Alexandra Palace and Turnpike Lane makes absolutely no sense from the point of view of its potential users. I wonder why the council are pushing this?
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Aggregation of services and retail I'd guess, hoping for a Westfield type 'destination' shopping/office redevelopment effect. Go back a decade and the Shepherds Bush area was not known for its footfall beyond local residents. Also, the Overground station there was built new, to serve the shopping centre, and it's very well used.
The quadrant of land bounded by the High Road, Station Road, Parkland Road and Wood Green Shopping City (sorry, I'm old style) must be an attractive prospect to developers. Even more so if their ambitions extend to redeveloping WGSS too - as is being done in a massive scheme at the Whitgift Centre in Croydon, involving the majority of the whole central shopping area: you may like to look it up.
Analysis only, not support or opposition.....
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In the Crossrail 2 consultation, I'm going to ask why the Turnpike Lane route could not be kept, but with an extra exit (as is proposed for Seven Sisters). The platform has to be 250m long, so if the southern end was at Turnpike Lane station the north end would be behind McDonalds near Shopping City. The High Road front is a bland modern building that could be rebuilt without much loss of heritage, with the burgers moved up above the entrance.
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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That idea is of course a no-no as it would require two severe curves on the route from Seven SIsters to New Southgate.
Modern underground lines benefit by not having to follow the course of the roads above. I suspect the Wood Green station will be laid out South East to North West diagonally and not under the High Road.
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I'm sorry if it wasn't clear, but my comment was referring to the original option (involving an interchange at Turnpike Lane) as seen on the safeguarding plan at http://crossrail2.co.uk/areas-safeguarded/ ).
I agree with your post below about the landgrabbing 'development' motive - which appears to be behind the recent route option with an interchange at Wood Green.
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This what happens when property developers are allowed to input into the planning of new transport infrastructure, rather than the now old fashioned Intergrated transport planning, that used to be the way to do things. See the ludicrous (from a transport planners point of view) Battersea/Nine Elms extension of the Northern Line https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_line_extension_to_Battersea#... paid for by the developers.
I can see that there are those who see big money being generated on a new Seven Sisters Station and now a Wood Green Station, redeveloping the areas directly around those stations. Not to mention the new Wimbledon station. http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/13927140.Parts_of_Wimbledon...
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Actually, I'm quite pleased.. all the Harringay gang here were of course for it, because it was going to be close and they could see some possible personal gain (in travelling possibilties and the property value of being close to a Crossrail line). Claiming that Harringay needed a train link to Tottenham. as if the 41 & 230 bus were insufficient.
As we now see, the planning of this scheme is actually all about landgrab development money and not about sensible transport links of the future. *I'd point to the planned destruction of the central shopping area in Wimbledon (I wonder why?)* It's just a case of send the trains where you can make the most money.
I've stated from the beginning that I'm against an Ally Pally, New Southgate branch of CR2 and laid out my reasons on the 'Update on Crossrail 2' thread (Yes, it's one word FPR) here: http://www.harringayonline.com/forum/topics/update-on-crossrail-2-i... . BTW, I don't know why another thread had to be now opened. I guess, because FPR was too lazy to look for it.
This how warped the country has become. Do everything to make a profit, rather than do what is right and needed for London as a whole. So now, with a bit of luck, Harringay people won't be blinded anymore by the spin and the dream of some personal gain, but see this project for the money making dog's dinner that it really is.
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Permalink Reply by pamish on
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"...for the acquisition of Alexandra House in Wood Green, N22, for £14.0m. Alexandra House is a 55,000 sq. ft. office building, currently let entirely to the London Borough of Haringey at a passing rent of £10 per sq. ft., reflecting a capital value of £255 per sq. ft. and a net initial yield of 3.7%. A rent review is due in February 2016 and the lease expires in 2021. The property is built over 11 floors with excellent natural light and easily divisible floor plates."
So we're paying half a million ££ a year in rent for this, and it's better for it to be sold to some bunch of shysters rather than the council acquiring its own property when money has never been cheaper? I'm no economist but even I realised I was better off scraping together a mortgage than paying rent all my life. I bet a mortgage would be cheaper to service than £1/2m p a.
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Just completed my response to the consultation today (kept putting it off). If anyone else is interested, it closes tonight.
I'm really not thrilled by either plan, as the High Road is often uncomfortably crowded as it is, and a station at Wood Green OR Turnpike Lane would make that worse. I would rather that a new station was created away from the High Road, to open up new areas. Between the choices we have, the loss of the cinema would grieve me, but I live very close to Alexandra Palace and I'm even more concerned about what it would mean for the area.
Due to the proximity of the hill, the area around AP Station is very tight, and I am dubious that it could accommodate the promised new homes, the increased traffic or bigger crowds arriving directly to the Palace. I have also read that there will be some duplication of purpose between the Alexandra Palace and New Southgate plans. I think I would prefer one station at Turnpike Lane, with an extra exit half way down the High Road (as someone here suggested) because I think that end of the High Road needs it more - but I'm generally uncomfortable about the whole Crossrail project. I don't trust that it will be done in the right way for all the communities affected.
Don't really care about the value of my home - don't want to move. I'm not a proper Londoner (just any old soft southerner), but I do care about Wood Green and want it to do well. I don't want it to suffer for lack of transport, but I'm scared that developers will screw it all up. Urgh.
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