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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

This (slightly edited) conversation appeared on another thread about growing in front gardens.

I guess the questions are do you share FPR's problem and what can be done about it?

Finsbury Park Ranger: I've got stinking rubbish and quite a lot of flies. Happy to share.

Liz: Have you rung Veolia FPR? I'm sure they will deal with that for you.

Finsbury Park Ranger: They do deal with it every two weeks. Unfortunately in the summer, with a liking for the occasional fresh crab, this just isn't enough.

I'll give them a ring.

Edit: Just rang them, they said general waste can only be picked up every two weeks so just have to wait until the next normal pick up.

I'll have to triple bag the rubbish future I guess.

Alan Stanton: ... your point about hot weather bin collections is apt. The BBC reported that 1 July was the hottest July day ever recorded in England. And there were heatwave alerts.

So it seems sensible if there could be some provision in the waste contract to add a few extra collections when temperatures soar.

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Can I suggest, Junior, that it's not development in itself which is the problem. It's our Council's agenda of planning for tower blocks, demolishing council-owned homes, and dressing the whole thing up by calling it "regeneration" and "mixed communities". 

Writing more would be off-topic. Here's an online article and a couple of videos  (1) (2) you may find interesting if you've not already seen them.

Thanks Alan - couldn't respond to your other comment but cheers for the info RE: slow worms also.

The subsidy to the developer sis obscene when services are being pared down to bare bone.

The developers should be paying us(the Council) to move in on our terms such is the pressure for space for development.

Yep - not like we can afford to live in the shiny new buildings either.

I hear you and I share the pain.

The thought about using the public bins has been considered but that 'feels' wrong.

But then again the council does not seem to care.

There are several HMOs on our street and their bins (some of the houses has 4) is still overflowing with rubbish.

/J

What is the option when one has fish bones,'crab backs' as some one else mentioned or something similar? Should I stock them in my fridgefreezer for 2 weeks? If I don't they'll go smelly very quickly!

No. I put this food in a small bag and put it IN the street bin. It'll get collected soon because street bins are emptied regularly. It is not as if I was dumping all of my refuse in teh street bins. This is making full use of local facilities available to me and in no way contributes to littering. It does save my street from becoming very smelly for all who pass my house since my smaller wheely bin sits 40 cms from the pavement behind the house boundary. So no, it is not 'wrong'. It is called taking the initiative. And I contribute to funding the street bin service through my council tax as well.

Veolia is a private company that makes billions in profit. They are supposed to be offering a *Weekly* collection of most of your household waste, especially the stuff that can't hang around. Approx 3/4 of househols waste should go weekly, provided people separate it and what remains for landfill should then be manageable

Veolia shouldn't be causing this kind of problem for you. It needs to be fixed.

The problem lies with the fact that for some reason they've given you a two week collection but not a weekly food, garden and recycling service. This is just wrong and I strongly suggest you take this up with your local councillor or, if they are supine, writing directly to Stuart McNamara.

Black waste bins are specifically for non-rotting waste and so should not get particularly unpleasant, unless there are babies in the house and there are nappies in there or cat litter. Then I would suggest that all such fecal matter be double bagged before going on the bin. Even disposable nappies can be cleared of poo (depending on the age of the child but I won't go into that) before disposal. 

However, you should not be required to put food waste in them to lie for two weeks and not be given a food waste collection. Can I suggest you ...er...kick up a stink?

Food waste, including animal parts, is meant to go in the small food recycling bin which is collected weekly with the green bin.  This recognises the need for food waste not to hang around for a fortnight.   Did you not get the leaflet? 

No need to be condescending ol boy. That was a useful post until that point.

"NOTHING has been done to address the problems associated with it!"

JJ: I think that's a little unfair. Yes, initially there was some reluctance to consider the downside of the changed arrangements. And some blocking when people made well-founded criticisms and offered suggestions. (I'm thinking in particular of Liz Ixer presenting a balanced critique at a Harringay and St Ann's "Area Forum".)

However, I think that Stuart McNamara - one of your own Bruce Grove ward councillors - has tried hard to solve particular problems.

You might criticise this as tweaking within an overall scheme which you object to. But in my view he makes genuine efforts for it to work better. And sometimes succeeds. At least he goes out-and-about with residents, looking and trying.  He's not a vegetative state councillor.

Sorry no...nothing has been done to address the bins blocking the pavements. Go to Steele rd nos. 2 to 30ish and Napier road nos. 38-54 and all the small front 'gardens' in my neck of the woods. 

Yes a bit has been done to address to High Rd issue and I said this in my initial post but not the residential streets around Napier rd. The problems were built into the system at conception - a huge bin for recycling, another huge bin for non-recyling, a third albeit small bin for food waste, and then bag for green waste...... crude money saving scheme making front gardens look like bin depots. Look around you. It is horrible!

All ill conceived schemes that are badly thought out when there are loads of examples from elsewhere into how to introduce better solutions. They unfortunately cost more money in the short term but in better results in the long run.

JJ: I hope we can agree with a general proposition that doing the wrong thing better and more efficiently doesn't make it right. Maybe we can also agree that far more recycling and far less incineration and landfill are also desirable goals.

In which case, the question becomes: 'how?'.

Please post links to some of the "loads of examples from elsewhere into how to introduce better solutions".  I'd like to visit a few.

And please do arrange to have a proper personal chat with Stuart McNamara.

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