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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

This (slightly edited) conversation appeared on another thread about growing in front gardens.

I guess the questions are do you share FPR's problem and what can be done about it?

Finsbury Park Ranger: I've got stinking rubbish and quite a lot of flies. Happy to share.

Liz: Have you rung Veolia FPR? I'm sure they will deal with that for you.

Finsbury Park Ranger: They do deal with it every two weeks. Unfortunately in the summer, with a liking for the occasional fresh crab, this just isn't enough.

I'll give them a ring.

Edit: Just rang them, they said general waste can only be picked up every two weeks so just have to wait until the next normal pick up.

I'll have to triple bag the rubbish future I guess.

Alan Stanton: ... your point about hot weather bin collections is apt. The BBC reported that 1 July was the hottest July day ever recorded in England. And there were heatwave alerts.

So it seems sensible if there could be some provision in the waste contract to add a few extra collections when temperatures soar.

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Whatever people say a two week collection for food and other waste is backward, retrograde and has unintended costs. It is in place only as a cost cutting mechanism and is NOT about being more environmentally friendly. It isn't efficient anyway becasue people who don't recycle mix their rubbish into both bins which are often seen to be overflowing with all the packaging that comes with anything you buy these days.

These ugly bins have invaded our front gardens and are an eyesore degrading already disheveled neighbourhood streets.

I do not want 3 bins in my  very narrow front 'GARDEN'. It can hardly even take the one smaller bin. Did the Council propose an alternative? NO! I had to ask and INSIST on getting bags for my recycling collections and on having only 1 bin.

If I need to dispose of food waste that I do not want to have for 2 weeks in front of my house, I small-bag it and put it IN (not next to) a road side bin and it will get collected in a day. I am very conscoius that it causes extra strain on street bin collection and has a cost, but so be it. It seems we have to be more 'self help' and that is my solution to forcing provision for which I pay. Since the Council's very crude one size fits all solutions are unsuited to my needs but also to that of all the people living on streets where they have no or sloped front gardens and both bins for each home end up cluttering the pavement making it difficult for pedestrians. 

I think quite a few people have realised that an 'efficient' way to get the council's providers to collect their waste and just dump it next to street bins because that does get it collected almost immediately. So the council's cost savings actually cause quite a bit of fly tipping next to street side bins.

The new collection scheme has been in place for several years and NOTHING has been done to addrress the problems associated with it! Minor efforts have been taken on the High Rd in Tottenham but that too has resulted in the Council placing more collection bins on the already ugly and cluttered pavements. So a council scheme has resulted in 'degeneration'. Meanwhile teh council is spendingmillions to subsidize developers coming into Tottenham and calling THAT regeneration. They - the Council - are part of the overall problem! 

End of rant.

"Meanwhile teh council is spendingmillions to subsidize developers coming into Tottenham and calling THAT regeneration. "

This - absolutely disgusts me. But what can we really do about it?

Can I suggest, Junior, that it's not development in itself which is the problem. It's our Council's agenda of planning for tower blocks, demolishing council-owned homes, and dressing the whole thing up by calling it "regeneration" and "mixed communities". 

Writing more would be off-topic. Here's an online article and a couple of videos  (1) (2) you may find interesting if you've not already seen them.

Thanks Alan - couldn't respond to your other comment but cheers for the info RE: slow worms also.

The subsidy to the developer sis obscene when services are being pared down to bare bone.

The developers should be paying us(the Council) to move in on our terms such is the pressure for space for development.

Yep - not like we can afford to live in the shiny new buildings either.

I hear you and I share the pain.

The thought about using the public bins has been considered but that 'feels' wrong.

But then again the council does not seem to care.

There are several HMOs on our street and their bins (some of the houses has 4) is still overflowing with rubbish.

/J

What is the option when one has fish bones,'crab backs' as some one else mentioned or something similar? Should I stock them in my fridgefreezer for 2 weeks? If I don't they'll go smelly very quickly!

No. I put this food in a small bag and put it IN the street bin. It'll get collected soon because street bins are emptied regularly. It is not as if I was dumping all of my refuse in teh street bins. This is making full use of local facilities available to me and in no way contributes to littering. It does save my street from becoming very smelly for all who pass my house since my smaller wheely bin sits 40 cms from the pavement behind the house boundary. So no, it is not 'wrong'. It is called taking the initiative. And I contribute to funding the street bin service through my council tax as well.

There must be a fortune to be made setting up a private company to pick up the rubbish on the alternate weeks. I would pay a tenner a month for two extra collections just to allow the front windows to be opened once in a while without a cloud of flies entering the place.

Problem is when you let certain populations get too big it's hard to keep their numbers down there-on-after. Apparently we're still suffering high mosquito levels from a house pipe ban four years ago. How many years will we experience a deluge of fly larvae and a rat and mouse epidemic after this bin experiment is put to rest ?

Veolia is a private company that makes billions in profit. They are supposed to be offering a *Weekly* collection of most of your household waste, especially the stuff that can't hang around. Approx 3/4 of househols waste should go weekly, provided people separate it and what remains for landfill should then be manageable

Veolia shouldn't be causing this kind of problem for you. It needs to be fixed.

The problem lies with the fact that for some reason they've given you a two week collection but not a weekly food, garden and recycling service. This is just wrong and I strongly suggest you take this up with your local councillor or, if they are supine, writing directly to Stuart McNamara.

Black waste bins are specifically for non-rotting waste and so should not get particularly unpleasant, unless there are babies in the house and there are nappies in there or cat litter. Then I would suggest that all such fecal matter be double bagged before going on the bin. Even disposable nappies can be cleared of poo (depending on the age of the child but I won't go into that) before disposal. 

However, you should not be required to put food waste in them to lie for two weeks and not be given a food waste collection. Can I suggest you ...er...kick up a stink?

Food waste, including animal parts, is meant to go in the small food recycling bin which is collected weekly with the green bin.  This recognises the need for food waste not to hang around for a fortnight.   Did you not get the leaflet? 

No need to be condescending ol boy. That was a useful post until that point.

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