Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
The Hell that is Wood Green
Yesterday, I had the misfortune to find myself in the shopping mall. Walking out the big automatic doors and into the crowd of Star Wars pub extras who were smoking, spitting and squabbling on the footpath I witnessed what for me sums up the whole carbuncle on the arse of Haringey that is Wood Green High Road. One of the characters stormed through the crowd with his status dog in tow. I was reflecting on the fact that ‘status’ dogs don't seem to work (as the people who have them only ever seem to be what everyone else in society would consider low status). Everything suddenly went quiet except the ever present sirens. The status dog had stopped and released its copious bowels all over the footpath. It was like turning on the light in an HMO; the cockroaches screamed and scattered. The dog owner laughed and walked on. It was probably one of the most disgusting things I have seen or smelt in London. Eventually the crowd returned and watched the next horde trample the mess up and down the road. There was no-one to turn to, no-one to clean up and more importantly no-one with the authority to challenge and/or shoot the dog owner. Things just returned to normal.
The whole experience made me think how the council, local police and traders believe that we're all animals if they are happy for us to have to deal with this every time we go to the High Road. It's easy enough for me to hop on a bus and head off to Crouch End or Islington or even Enfield to shop but if you're older or disabled and have trouble getting around or not enough money for the bus it must be pretty grim to face it every day. Imagine how the standard little old lady dreads heading out into the crowds, litter, phlegm, smoke and anti-social behaviour of Wood Green every morning to get the milk.
Short of manning water cannons at each end of the High Road and employing some mercenaries with batons to control the crowds, I don’t know what can be done. Are there any clever ‘nudges’ or interventions that could improve Wood Green? Is it a matter of tarting the place up and hoping that the crowds respect their new surroundings? Is it signage to remind, and in many instances educate, people that spitting, littering and barging into other people is just not the done thing? Or do we just give up, bulldoze the lot and install a waterhole in the middle and let the law of the jungle and the status dog owners prevail?
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Permalink Reply by Finsbury Park Ranger on
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I was brought up in Muswell hill, grandparents started out as poor working class Northern hartlepudlians and just worked hard and did quite well and ended up owning a house near the Muswell hill golf course.
Anyway point is, I frigging LOVED going to wood green on a Saturday as a kid. It had the cheapest and best selection of computer games possibly anywhere in the whole of the UK. I loved the fact it was so busy, loved the pet shop(s) and generally a shopping centre you could almost lose yourself in and also afford and also one you didn't need to shlep all the way across London and back to get to.
Wood green does need to keep up a bit and I suggest that it sticks with championing new technology and (the maybe the arts ) and also has a serious re-think about how to make some parts of it more pedestrian friendly and a real push to keep it clean but other than that I think its a great place, always has been and has real potential to grow alongside the mighty phoenix which is ally pally.
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Permalink Reply by Abi on
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The 'hell' that is Wood Green is part of its charm. My friends and I particularly like going to see zombie movies at the Cineworld, because there is just something so thoroughly dystopian about it. You can imagine the undead rising from those arcade machines. I'm not even joking...
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Permalink Reply by Cllr Emina Ibrahim on
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Cinema's have actually improved in Wood Green! Prior to the Cineworld and Vue there was the Coronet at Turnpike Lane next to the old bus station. I think it was also called the ABC at some point. The queues on Saturdays were so long but it was absolutely filthy! and you were lucky to leave without itching all over and needing a tetanus jab :)
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Permalink Reply by Pat on
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Yes, it was the ABC, I remember when smoking in the cinema was still allowed, the place was thick with smoke.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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For me, the argument seems to boil down to one thing Sharon posted. "I don't like bad manners either but can tolerate them". I can't.
My Mam and Dad brought me and my siblings up to be polite and considerate and to expect the same from others. That's why I dislike bad manners like taking up an extra seat on a packed out bus with Primark bags in Wood Green or Gucci bags in Kings Road, people shouting into their mobiles about what Poppy said to Cookie, not saying please and thank you to a member of staff in McDonalds or thinking it's ok to be rude to a waiter in Le Pain Quotidien.
Good manners are not the monopoly of any social class and neither are bad ones.
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on
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Good morning Michael:
Well put Mr Anderson!
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Permalink Reply by Sharon on
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Quite right Michael, I should've added that I can tolerate others manners because I was brought up to be polite enough to do so, also, something to bear in mind as Alan pointed out somewhere on the thread, Manners are not universal, they differ greatly from culture to culture, family to family. One persons shaking the head is another person's nodding.
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You're right of course Sharon, that manners vary from culture to culture, but when I go abroad I try to find out in advance how to behave. If I'm in France and don't say Bon Jour as I enter a shop I thinks it's quite understandable that the shopkeeper gives me a look of distain.
Here I think that the worst behaviour seems to manifest itself in Londoners born and bred. Probably why they always come top in people's perceptions of the rudest and and most unfriendly people in the country.
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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Michael, "When a man is tired of London he should consider Sidmouth."
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Permalink Reply by Ted Arvizu on
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The link below is to an academic book comparing the history of both Shopping City and Brent Cross. I am tempted to purchase.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=za2AAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA51&lpg...
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Cheers! that's a brilliant find! Early 90's were a troublesome patch for WG weren't they? I remember the bomb blasts.
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Great find.
One thought to keep wood greens litter down, try to get the local people to identify and appreciate with the people that have to pick it up. When I was a kid my mum always made me have to think about this poor person that had to pick up the litter, it made me want to stop dropping litter.
Perhaps it's time to meet 'Jack' and 'Ania'.
Maybe a large campaign to introduce the real people behind wood green. The ticket guards, the bus drivers, the mall team, the police, the teachers and how litter detracts from all of their ability to do their jobs properly because it eats into their budgets.
It might be better use of advertising budgets and install more respect for the local community than telling everyone to 'hide their phone or valuables' all the time.
If people begin to realise that that flicked fag butt is going to make the local school or someone else's day a little bit worse, people might think twice.
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