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Another betting shop planned on Lordship Lane please help

Morning all,

We have just found out that Paddy Power wants to open a betting shop in the recently closed pub on Lordship (606 Lordship Lane N22 5JH)  about 5-7 minutes walk from Wood Green tube station. I live locally and am totally outraged as there are already 2 betting shops within 30 seconds walk of that old pub - a William Hill and Ladbrokes.

There is a sign on the door saying Paddy Power has submitted an application under the Gambling Act 2005 and that any representations need to be made in writing to the licensing authorities by 25th March.

I know similar situations have cropped up on Green Lanes and some of you have been active in fighting it - I would like your advice on how to stop this! I am planning writing to local councilors and MPs and will start a petition .

How can it be allowed to have three in such a short stretch of street - the noise and rubbish these places produce is terrible? 

Please sign the petition here: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/not-another-betting-shop-on-lord...

Thanks for your support!

Katie 


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Permalink Reply by Katie Tucker on March 14, 2014 at 13:35
this morning in front of the pub - david Lammy, catherine West and councillors plus good group of residents big thanks to George and his wife for all the posters and leaflets
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Permalink Reply by Katie Tucker on March 14, 2014 at 13:37
not sure all the pics went through previous post...
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Permalink Reply by Rachella on March 14, 2014 at 18:53

A group of local residents are meeting at Noel Park Market at 11:30 to discuss what they can do to help fight against this. Anyone who has suggestions - or a will to join the fight is invited.

Permalink Reply by Elitebar on March 16, 2014 at 23:14
Dear Katie,

Have just seen your amazing work and would like to thank you firstly for all you have done already,

My name is Eleesha and I am the current leaseholder who was unlawfully evicted by the owners, since January. They changed the locks one night and did not give us any notice, nor access to the pub or our belongings!
My partner and I are very grateful there are so many people who are against the closure of a community asset and the opening of yet another bookie shop.

Pls pm me or get in touch via email as I believe our eviction from the pub may be grounds to object to the gambling license application.
We are trying to put an injunction to take back the business, as I hear 3 days ago the freeholders are planning to demolish the place for betting shop rebuild.
Permalink Reply by Zena Brabazon on March 17, 2014 at 10:37

Dear All

I just received this email so am posting it right away. It might not be in time to stop this application but the more pressure piled on the government the better. 

Zena Brabazon

Cllr, St. Ann's Ward

__________________________________________

Dear Councillor Brabazon

 I have good news and a request regarding the acute problem of the ever increasing number of betting shops, especially in, but not confined to, poorer areas. 

Firstly, the good news: Hackney Borough Council has now submitted a proposal for the government to create a separate use class for betting shops so that councils have new powers to address the problem.

 The proposal is Labour Party policy and has fantastic support. It is supported by your council - thank you - along with 62 other councils across the country, the LGA, the GLA and the mayor of London. This is a great opportunity to achieve a positive result for councils.

 Secondly, a request: The proposal has been submitted under the Sustainable Communities Act and so the government is considering it right now. A decision could be made at any time.

Could you please therefore write to or email the Communities Minister, Stephen Williams MP, asking him to "Please agree to the proposal for a separate use class for betting shops submitted by Hackney Borough and 62 other councils under the Sustainable Communities Act"? Please encourage colleagues to do so as well, the more correspondence Mr Williams receives the better.

 His postal address is Stephen Williams MP, House of Commons, London SW1A 0AA

His email address is stephen.williams.mp@parliament.uk

 Thank you. I will keep you informed of progress.

 Yours sincerely 

Steve Shaw

National Co-ordinator

Local Works  www.localworks.org

Office: 020 7239 9053  Mobile: 07788 646 933

 

Permalink Reply by John McMullan on March 17, 2014 at 11:19

Arrggghhh!!!!! This is not the solution. The solution is to BAN those bloody machines and then the problem will disappear. They were only ever supposed to be "on approval" anyway.

"A FOBT ban on top of the new tax could be a crippling double blow, even for giants such as William Hill and Ladbrokes. The most obvious beneficiary, however, would be Bet365, Britain’s biggest online operator. Interestingly, Bet365’s owners, the Coates family, have given the Labour party more than £400,000 over the last decade. I wouldn’t bet against them soon becoming Britain’s leading bookies."

Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on March 20, 2014 at 7:35

Hi Zena,

I'm with John on this one. IMO the proposal is dangerous because if implemented, it would be ineffective, create the illusion of reform and it would delay even further, urgently needed deep, meaningful change.

One of the tests would be how strongly the gambling industry resisted a special category. If they were to mount token or little resistance, they're likely to recognise such a move will further confuse and complicate the law: to their advantage.

I wish that the creation of a separate planning category would be effective in curbing the slick of betting shops. However, if that were to be the only legislative measure, then I think the net result would be to create more work for barristers in the courts, with the gambling industry likely to prevail.

My reason for saying that is that the Gambling Act 2005 is powerful and for some years now, has easily trumped Objectors' concerns, with the exception of change-of-use.

The grounds for objection to new Licence Applications are narrow indeed; the thrust of the Act was that Market Demand would be the sole test.

To top it all, the Act instructs Licensing Authorities to "Aim to permit [new gambling premises licence applications]".

I would like to think that the creation of a new planning category would halt the flow of new betting shops, each with four FOBTs, but I continue to believe that without the repeal of the Gambling Act, or its deep reform, little will change.


Disclosure:
am a prospective councillor candidate
Highgate Ward | Liberal Democrat Party

Permalink Reply by Katie Tucker on March 17, 2014 at 10:42

Hello,

Thanks for this information. I have requested to connect so we can message directly. Do you know who the freeholder is - that information would be really useful as we could contact him/her to discuss.

Do you still live near the property? Are you seeking legal advice/Anyway let's connect directly. 

Thanks Eleesha.

Katie 

erno72Permalink Reply by erno72 on March 17, 2014 at 13:42

Hi All

Not sure if you're already aware but there are now three planning applications submitted by Paddy Power in relation to the pub which are available to view on Haringey Council's website if you search using the address or these are the planning references:

HGY/2014/0715         Alterations to existing shopfront

HGY/2014/0716         Satellite dishes etc

HGY/2014/0717         Signage

I think we can all object to these, and it looks like we have 21 days from 11 March to do so. 

Also the Met Police crime map has some useful statistics http://maps.met.police.uk/ which would be useful for objections to the licensing application. 

You can search by area, and zoom right in. I'm going to see if I can compare crime stats for a similar area without betting shops (if I can find one!) to hopefully prove that they're already causing a problem and send in a personal objection letter. I will of course share anything useful I find to be used more widely. 

Thanks

Alison

 

George SchonPermalink Reply by George Schon on March 18, 2014 at 16:09

Rather disturbingly, next to our article in the Haringey Independent there's a piece about a shooting in Kenny's Salon (some 20m from the Paddy Power site), from the 24th Jan 2014. No one injured but few better examples of antisocial/criminal behaviour in the area-

http://www.haringeyindependent.co.uk/news/10961302.Shooting_in_Wood...

0te44xt8weo3lPermalink Reply by 0te44xt8weo3l on March 18, 2014 at 16:15

There have been two shootings within 20m of the pub in the past 4 months. Operation Trident posted leaflets to those of us in the vicinity on the day after each shooting.

The council does have to consider organised crime as they assess the application (quote Gambling Commission's Guidelines), worth considering.

erno72Permalink Reply by erno72 on March 26, 2014 at 17:06

Hi All

Just a reminder to object to the related planning applications. I think the reasons for objecting are less restrictive than those for licensing. There are only 5 objections on the council planning site so far so we need lots more. 

Search for the pub address 606 Lordship Lane in the planning application site and there are 3 related applications. We put our objection in to the first one only, but you could do all three.  This the link to the planning application search page:

http://www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/Applica...

Thanks

Alison 

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