After it was discovered at the St Ann's Labour Party selection candidate selection meeting that there were people present and voting who should not have been, I came home from the pub (where I'd heard about it) and wrote this article. It has subsequently been edited by site admins to remove the names of people who were embarrassed or in the final case where a journalist said it was potentially libellous. Well here I will attempt to summarise what we have subsequently found out and hopefully take people's attention away from my original appalling rant.
*An individual has asked that their name be replaced with their function in this post on the grounds that they are not seeking public office. This has been done.
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....meanwhile, thousands of schoolkids across the land are wondering how they will survive the cyberbullying. ...
They didn't show me any proof at all. The young man sat opposite me and repeated the word filth many times and I said nothing, thinking I'd been more careful than that but believing them.
From the WhatDoTheyKnow site, here, no idea how accurate it is but that guy says:
Harassment warnings issued by the police are effectively judgement without trial. Anyone can make up any malicious claim they want about any individual. The police do not investigate claims of harassment, especially claims made by females against males.
Furthermore, if any subsequent claims are made by the original complainant, the police will then be considering an arrest, still without ever validating the claims made. Should you also have been a victim of harassment from the other party - as many men often are from the actions of spiteful ex-partners who often play the 'fear' card to get their way - then your claims will be ignored and theirs favoured.
Should you ever be on the receiving end of an harassment claim you are innocent of, refuse to sign anything. Then, if the police issue the harassment warning against you, demand that they either investigate the allegations or that the harassment warning is to be expunged from any CRB checks that could be made by future employees.
If you have an harassment warning against you it will remain on police computers, it will also influence the decisions of other officers should anything further arise. Regardless of the truth behind the harassment warning, they regard it as proof of your criminality.
One definition I saw, had filth as "disgusting dirt".
Were that applied to an individual, it would IMO be OTT-North Korean.
May be safer to use "filthy XYZ". (where XYZ applies to conduct).
The most famous filthy remark by a New Labour politician, in a different context, was of course that by Peter Mandelson. The attitude that lay behind that flippancy, IMO caused enormous damage.
This reminds me of the criminalization of street photographers, What happened to that ?
I'm wondering if it would be helpful to seek expert legal advice on this. Preferably pro bono. But if John McMullan and Phil K need some cash, we are ready to contribute to a fund for them to see a lawyer.
Because we think it would be very much in the wider public interest if there was far more clarity about what people can and can't say and do in a case where disagreements and campaigns are in progress about important political and civic issues.
The Crown Prosecution Service issued "Interim Guidance on prosecuting cases involving communications sent via social media. It's dated 19 December 2012. As well as giving practical guidance - including to the Police - it was a consultation document. A summary of the responses received is also published on the CPS website.
This is a relatively new area of law. The judges, and the police, are working out the consequences - intended and unintended - of trying to protect people from what's been called cyberbullying. As Pam Isherwood points out, the worry uppermost in people's minds have been cases where children and young people were victims.
But the CPS Guidance also stresses the importance of defending freedom of speech and free expression and the possible "chilling effect" if the test for what constitutes harassment is set too low.
I've heard that a senior member of the Labour Party's staff queried why residents need to know how the Party selects its candidates. I hope most people immediately see the absurdity of such a view. Especially questions about who stands and who selects candidates in wards with low membership which have been "safe" Labour seats for years. (Some of these wards make 19th Century pocket boroughs seem like models of democracy.)
As Ed Miliband said last night (You can watch the whole video) "unaccountable concentrations of power, wherever we find them, don't serve the public interest and need to be held to account." And while Ed was unlikely to have in mind the power exercised by small groups within local Labour Parties, I include these.
Ed Miliband also said that power and participation are key issues for Labour. He quoted Saul Alinsky the U.S. community organiser. Many of the tactics Alinsky used successfully were designed to embarrass and shame power holders by exposing their failings.
Just as John McMullan and Phil K - with others of course - have exposed the failings of the Haringey Labour Parties.
(Tottenham Hale ward councillor)
I have just gotten off the phone with PC Molloy (223246). She has refused to withdraw the allegation but did not apologise to me about the other officer who sat opposite me at my kitchen table and insinuated many times that I had called the Secretary of the St Ann's Branch of the Labour Party filth on Twitter, even though she said to me that she knew full well at the time that this was not me.
She told me that I was being childish, had too much time to waste, should have better things to do and that what I was doing was not important. She said she expected teenagers to behave "this way".
The allegation basically rests on the "frequency" of my tweets to the Secretary of the St Ann's branch of the Labour Party and the fact that I (along with Liz Ixer I might add) was "mentioned" in the tweet calling the Secretary of the St Ann's branch of the Labour Party filth.
Yes, I think having a lawyer about now would be good.
I offer £20 - how does this work ?
Yes I'm in for £20 too.
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