Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
The Banner
Just seen the banner and my opinion is that its pretty damn crap.
Why?
You still see much of the shoddy paintwork on the bridge.
The banner is all wrinkled.
The overall design is so crap.
I could go on but I'll give everyone else chance instead.
Oh well.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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I note that Ms Dalzell has failed to include HoL on the parties formally asked to consult residents.
This is either gobsmacking cheek because the Council didn't like our findings, or, more charitably, momentary carelessness on the part of Ms D.
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Permalink Reply by Protheroe O'Shea on
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Gosh you are such a diplomat Hugh. Ever thought about a career in politics?
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on
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The MP whose constituency covers Crouch End mentioned Bay Media in her blog ("Banners Blight Borough ...") and especially the 15-year deal they've managed to arrange with our local council.
I've looked at the advertising hoardings several times now. They're not growing on me ...
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Permalink Reply by Ruth on
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If my maths are correct, the 2,400 'profit' for LBH isn't there cus they spent £3000 cleaning up the bridge. So it's a loss. There is nothing for local causes/activities. Can the Council please dispense with that myth please.
The only winners are Bay Media who can sell advertising space to any company down Green Lanes they wish. And give the council a pittance.
G & H as well all know is global company with a local presence- it is not a local business. The reply from Ms Dalzell is full of holes and is as patched up as the bridge banner itself. I suspect she was tasked with this difficult job whilst those higher up get off lightly.
Who else bid for the site apart from BayMedia, what were their offers I wonder? How was the contract decided? And yes, a big omission in leaving out the opinions of HoL which were included in the 'consultation.'It's a disgrace and the council should rethink this. They are actually spending our money not raising any.
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Permalink Reply by matt on
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Re Network Rail Maintenance and decorating the bridge: I've got a general email address from NR. Will send off a query as to whether there are plans to re-decorate Harringay Green Lanes bridge.
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Permalink Reply by David Schmitz on
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I have just received a reply to my Member's Enquiry about this. Much of the material is already contained in the FoI Reply given to "Tunbridge Wells", but I reproduce it below for completeness.
I am of course no fan of the Council's ability to hold its own in striking bargains, but I ought to point out in fairness that the income will be recurring and that it will also rise, because not all of the space is yet let.
David Schmitz
Liberal Democrat Councillor for Harringay Ward
The reply reads as follows:
Dear Cllr Schmitz
Thank you for your enquiries about the advertising banners on the Harringay Green Lanes Railway Bridge. Please see set out below responses to your questions.
1. What was the cost of the banners over the railway bridge station (welcome to/thank you for visiting Harringay Green Lanes)? Was this sum paid by the Council? If it was, out of which department's budget did the money come? If it was not, from which organisation did the money come and did the Council give a grant to that organisation for the purpose of acquiring or displaying the banners? When advertising revenue is eventually received, will it be paid to the department out whose budget the cost of the banners originally came?
The two central banners over the railway bridge cost £3,075, including artwork design, printing, production and installation.
The banners have been put in place by the Green Lanes Strategy Group. The Green Lanes Strategy Group was set up in 2002 by representatives of residents’ and traders’ associations and other key stakeholders in the area to address concerns raised by local residents and traders. The banners were funded using revenue generated from the advertising on the banner previously installed on the bridge. This revenue was held by the Council’s Neighbourhood Management Service and ring-fenced for use in delivering activity to address the priorities of the Green Lanes Strategy Group.
Advertising revenue generated from the banners that are currently in place will also be ring-fenced and used to deliver activity that addresses the priorities of the Green Lanes Strategy Group. The Neighbourhood Management Service has now been disestablished, and the revenue will be held in a budget in the Single Frontline business unit, in the Place and Sustainability Directorate.
2. Did the council ever enquire into whether monies to improve the appearance of the railway bridge could be raised otherwise than by selling advertising space on the bridge?
The Council has historically secured funds to make improvements to the bridge and surrounding area from other sources. In 2005 the Council successfully bid for funds from the Finsbury Park Partnership Single Regeneration Budget: the Finsbury Park Partnership completed its planned 7 years of work in the area and has now ceased operations. In the light of reductions in public sector funding and the lack of availability of similar funding opportunities, it was considered that at the current time sponsorship of the banners was an appropriate way to secure funds for investment in the area.
3. Could you please let me know the rates of income (net of payments to contractors or Network Rail) which are receivable by the Council for the display of advertising banners over the railway bridge at Harringay Green Lanes Station?
The commercial banners currently on the bridge have been installed for a twelve month period, and over this period £2,415 of revenue will be generated, net of payments to the contractor. This revenue will be held by the Council and ring-fenced for use in delivering the priorities of the Green Lanes Strategy Group.
4. Could you also please let me know whether that income is being applied for the benefit of the local area, and if so, how and by whom it is being so applied.
As set out above, the revenue will be spent in accordance with the strategies and priorities of the Green Lanes Strategy Group. The Green Lanes Strategy Group includes representatives from local resident and traders’ associations, and key stakeholders such as the Council, Network Rail and the Police.
Many thanks.
Regards, Kate
Kate Dalzell
Head of Director's Office - Place and Sustainability
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We can look forward then to more add-ons, bits and bobs, mish-mash of advertising on the bridge for our 'local' businesses. How nice!
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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"I am of course no fan of the Council's ability to hold its own in striking bargains, but I ought to point out in fairness that the income will be recurring and that it will also rise, because not all of the space is yet let." - I guess I shouldn't be surprised you said that. Did you see that this is the only bridge in Haringey with advertising? What are the odds that it's the only one in London? Can I buy advertising space on your front hedge? A nice tasteful banner perhaps? All money to go to North Harringay school after my costs have been covered? No, I thought not. Where else do you think the council could "raise revenue" in Harringay for spending on local projects? How about something like this up and down Green Lanes?
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FLEM is still there as well, on the bridge banner that is.
Advertising could go on the hi-viz jackets worn by Haringey's street cleaners. Maybe they should be tasked with getting the advertising for their jackets in order to pay their wages- how's that for a nice money making (ahem) idea? The more they can squeeze on, the higher their salary (after taking costs of course)
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You're not going to reply to this are you David? You were elected to oppose... they don't want you as a Labour member.
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John, you'll think me a bit pedantic, but no one is elected to oppose. This is an oxymoron. When I vote for someone, I hope they'll win. People are elected to govern.
Only after the overall result of an election can it be decided whether a Member forms part of the Majority (governing) Group or the Minority (Opposition) Group. Of course the minority group doesn't and shouldn't necessarily oppose everything done or proposed by the majority group. No party has a monopoly of wisdom (or idiocy)!
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In Haringey if you're a Lib Dem, even last year, you're there to oppose. He's being so sympathetic towards the council that I suspect he wants to join the Labour party.
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