Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
“All foreigners need deporting”
All foreigners need deporting
… is alleged to have been posted by Haringey Councillor Sheila Peacock in a WhatsApp Group.
Today, the Haringey Community Press reported that Cllr Peacock has been suspended by Labour after deport foreigners message.
Sheila Peacock is no stranger to ill-considered statements.
As the Mayor of Haringey several times, would Cllr Peacock not have officiated at UK naturalisation ceremonies at the Civic Centre?
Sheila Peacock is a Labour candidate for South Tottenham in the May 2026 local elections, but one has to wonder if she would not feel more at home in the Party of Nigel Farage.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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I’m 66 so you’ll need to explain it to me.
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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I've been listening today to some of BBC radio 4 special programs on how scammers trick us. Including the very suave and polished ways scammers may steal our money and take most advantage of vulnerable people. Scammers are using techniques to get sometimes even sensible and cautious people to hand over critical online information. Including getting them to install software (malware). They had people on the radio programme who described their rapidly rising panic, and feelings of shame when they realised they'd been tricked.
And worse Scammers might expose some of their victims to cruel enjoyment and sometimes vicious feelings of triumph when they'd got online victims at their mercy.
The offensive words attributed - I hope falsely to Sheila Peacock - I want the Labour Party to investigate swiftly and reliably. And get to the bottom of this.
I was an elected councillor for sixteen years. During that time I was given confidential family and business information by residents. This included for example, taking up complaints and other issues which were important to residents I represented. I also sat on appeal panels for staff, when I had access to confidential personal files. There are legal consequences to councillors' decisions.
Hurtful thoughtless racist off-the-cuff remarks are important to challenge. Whoever posted this one should not be a candidate for any progressive political party.
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Permalink Reply by Brian Mahoney on
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Sometimes the most obvious explanation is correct ie.an old lady, not particularly apt with a modern phone, posts a message meant for one group of people to another group whose members hold very different views to the first group and thus upsets them. Surely that's more likely than Evil Elon or the FSB or whoever else 'hacking' into her phone.
And more importantly, does it matter? Who cares what is said in private conversations? No laws were broken. She's not inciting violence or planning a bank robbery.
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When is private conversation not a private conversation?
When it is a semi-public conversation with an elected public political person commenting about an important and sensitive and potentially hurtful public issue.It is true that nobody was directly inciting violence. But it is factual and regrettable that shocking violence has indeed been carried out by individuals susceptible to hate speech on this issue.
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on
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According to the HCP article the now-deleted Whatsapp Group, had around 90 members including many councillors.
Riots in Tottenham in 2011 led to theft, arson and destruction, but two years later the Mayor described them as the best thing to happen to Tottenham in a while.
The remarks were not made in a "private conversation" but were confidently delivered to a documentary maker for a video later posted on YouTube.
Councillor Peacock's comment about riots in 2011 could be viewed a condoning violence—if not inciting violence—by an elected person in a position of influence.
At some length and after pressure, the Mayor did apologise for the crass comments. However there is little evidence of learning lessons. Sheila Peacock is a former teacher and school Headmistress in Haringey.
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I wouldn't worry about it Alan. They are just the musings of an old lady. She's not really in a position of any influence and I doubt anybody takes her seriously. I'm sure everyone has a harmless old aunt or uncle who says things we might not agree with.
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It's not all foreigners...Just the Boris Wave that arrived from the sub continent post Covid whose members have clogged up our roads with their Uber Eats and Deliveroo delivery driving plus the illegal immigrants who arrive on boats daily. It's about time the press started highlighting the fact that Islamic State wasn't defeated in battle. It just changed tactics and started shipping its fighters into Europe and other western countries. They have formed sleeper cells which are being activated as we saw in Sydney last week.
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Easy solution to the Uber Eats/Deliveroo crisis - stop ordering takeaway stuff
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OLI, you tried to reassure me that Sheila would let me stay. But as I have more than once drawn attention to Cllr Peacock's repeated gaffes, the former Mayor may have reason to want me deported.
I don't know what proportion of NHS patients are "foreigners" (which you asked) but I have some questions you may like to consider: I have a close relation who is a surgeon who has worked in the NHS. He was born in a city behind the former Iron Curtain to parents of West European nationality.
- In your view, would he count as a foreigner?
- Should he have been employed by the NHS?
- Which foreigners or nationalities should he be able to operate on?
- And which foreigners should he not have operated on, in your view?
- Would someone who is half English and say, half Sudanese, count as a foreigner?
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I don't know why you're asking that particular set of questions Clive but as you are my answers are as follows:
1. Obviously yes. If he was born elsewhere to foreign parents then he is a foreigner.
2. I can't see why not. If his qualifications are up to scratch and have been validated and if he is competent.
3. I can imagine he's allowed to operate on anyone in an official capacity who he is qualified to operate on. If he's an orthopaedic surgeon he wouldn't be able to conduct brain surgery for instance.
4. I have no idea. But presumably if he operated on someone he shouldn't have then it's a matter of professional misconduct. Operating on someone unnecessarily or on the wrong person is very serious and would result in him losing his license/registration.
5. I dont know. It probably depends on place of birth and upbringing etc. For example, if they were born in Sudan and grew up there emersed in Sudanese culture and not speaking English etc it would be hard to argue that they are not a foreigner.
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I found Oli's answers helpful in better understanding her position.
Neil, did you know that an orthopaedic surgeon would not be able to conduct brain surgery?
I would never have guessed that.
I hope the National Health Service will acknowledge Oli's keen insights, along with the observations that consultants' qualifications need to be "up to scratch"; they should not operate on the wrong patient, nor unnecessarily. All sound advice.
(I still don't know what proportion of NHS patients are "foreigners", which was Oli's original question).
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