Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Can Harringay Ladder residents sue for clean air?
Just spitballing here really. Is there anyone of a legal nature who can answer this? With Finsbury Park to the south and the railway to the west and with every residential street to the north and east now either permanently closed or designated an LTN, can Ladder residents sue the council for discrimination, air quality and the impact life expectancy?
As all through traffic now has no option but to pass through the Ladder, funnelling tens of thousands of cars down our streets, do we have a legal case to demand the cleaner air that so many of our fellow Haringey residents now experience, but which is denied to us?
A succession of councillors have landed over the years, making some great noises and with many promises, none of which were delivered. Clean Streets Haringey fizzled out, do we have any legal recourse to stop the noise and air pollution which has impacted the Ladder for decades?
To be clear, I'm not interested in 'but this would inconvenience me and my car use and I reserve the right to freely pollute your air and impact your quality of life' arguments, as we know that the majority of cars using the Ladder aren't even owned or driven by Haringey residents and the Climate Emergency means everybody needs to use our cars less.
This has been discussed to death elsewhere on this forum. What do we think?
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Permalink Reply by Christopher Lewis on
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Agreed. The restaurants don't seem to be covered by the smoke free zone which I find odd as everyone else has to use smokeless fuel except businesses.
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Permalink Reply by Rory on
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When Wightman Road was closed for six months, half of the parked cars on the streets evaporated as if by magic. It's clearly not just residents parking nose to tail. As did an incredible proportion of the rubbish on the streets, which is definitely being thrown out of cars rat running through the streets. And Christopher there have been so many surveys showing the volume of traffic through the Ladder. It is definitely in the tens of thousands. It's not just air quality that is a problem, it's noise, parking congestion and tonnes and tonnes of rubbish.
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totally agree. I see people throw rubbish out of their cars all the time. I assume this is why the council wanted to change the parking permit charging as they just don't seem to have the funds to police the situation. We might have to blow up the bridge :-)
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Permalink Reply by JulieB on
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I thought the results of the pollution monitoring saw very little, if any, improvement in the air quality within St Ann's and the other 2 local LTNs. They were made permanent even though there wasn't an improvement in air quality, which I thought was supposed to be a key measure of success.
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That's correct Julie. But it was never about air quality, the kids, or saving the planet. They were just the cynical cover for a desire for a quiet street. The fact there has been a huge reduction in traffic in London is simply ignored. The lies about technology (GPS) increasing the use of side roads was debunked years ago when with the obvious flaws in the data were corrected. Air quality in general has improved significantly. LTNs were never going to have a material impact.
The wailing now is just about envy. Many of those on the rungs will no doubt be satisfied if their road is blocked off, and simply shrug when Wightman is left open to take the brunt. Wightman wont be closed and most know that.
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there is a strong argument to close Wightman road or introduce traffic reducing measures. the religious institutions on this road were against this as they wanted full access for their congregations (irony) but that was no surprise! Businesses also complained about this - no residents did though, of course! The most suitable model is the one that was in place for the bridge works where every three streets are blocked. this means that all local traffic can access as can emergency vehicles, taxi's deliveries etc.
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You shouldn’t assume that all residents in the St Ann’s LTN are happy or indeed have cleaner air. The huge increase of traffic being funnelled around Seven Sisters Road and St Anns Road mean that at times you can actually see and smell the grime and pollution in the air. It’s much harder to breathe and means sitting outside on my balcony is not pleasant or healthy. The noise of the extra traffic for extended hours is also a pollutant!
Is it fair that those of us living on main roads don’t deserve cleaner air as much as those living on already quieter, cleaner streets already?
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I live within the St Ann's LTN and I am definitely not happy with the LTNs. My, and my children's, bus journeys take longer and are much more unpredictable. West Green Road in particular is awful, I saw a video with Mike H talking about the 'great success' of the LTNs saying there was a 'modest 3% increase' in traffic on boundary roads. However a 3% increase on roads that were already very congested has a big effect on everyone's journeys and I'm sure the residents on West Green Road, for example, are not happy about it.
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Permalink Reply by Christopher Fowler on
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Yes, of course those on main roads deserve cleaner air. I have not seen or experienced the huge increase in traffic or attendant pollution on St Ann's Road, and I think you may be exaggerating. I have noticed that at times the traffic congestion on West Green Road has become worse. But the other two main, boundary roads, Green Lanes and Tottenham High Road, have not in my view become worse; indeed, the restoration of two-way traffic around South Tottenham and Tottenham Hale has, in my experience, resulted in traffic moving more freely, with fewer bus delays, and a general improvement in the area.
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No.
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Permalink Reply by Caroline on
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Go for it! LTNs make me laugh, as they just transfer the pollution and traffic 100 fold to less favoured areas and it's so hypocritical
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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Are you sure the traffic increase is x100? On the St Ann’s boundary roads it has been 3%.
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