Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Haringey LTN Trial Schemes, an ambitious first step
Hi all,
Just flagging that Haringey needs your view on the three trial LTNs in the borough.
Haringey has been lagging behind all of its neighbouring boroughs for many years on streets and public spaces that are safer and healthier for people of all ages.
The first three trial LTNs, with Bruce Grove/West Green being one of the largest LTNs launched in London, were an ambitious first step towards Haringey recognising the impact of rat running and increase in single-occupancy, short journeys by car. The environment, people's health and well being, and communities where these people live have all benefited from these schemes. If we want to see more of it, then there has to be some positive feedback within these consultations.
If you have 5-10 minutes, even if you don't live in these areas, it would be much appreciated to share your views. 20th September is the deadline, links below:
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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I don’t drive locally but the Uber coming to pick me up does, and as I say I watch its progress so I’m at the door when it is.
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Permalink Reply by Elizabeth M on
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The grumblers have been anything but silent or private instead on the Wild West of message boards like NextDoor they have been down right abusive to anyone who suggests gently that some people don't need to drive everywhere in Haringey just because they can and perhaps they shouldn't be moaning about the traffic that they create themselves by doing this. PS no roads are closed in the LTNs.
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Don't be so eager to have all the ladder roads done! I'm on the Tottenham side and I'm hemmed in with them. Can't exit at the top end of my road. I can only exit/ enter my road via West green road and nearly always plenty of traffic there. Pollution hasn't improved and has got worse due to idling traffic. Haringey's overall aim is to get rid of as many cars as possible as is on their plans. Many people need their cars including me, essential workers, carers etc and the fact that they're getting rid of day passes makes things even more challenging. Lots of people can't cycle, find public transport difficult. Guy's response hits the nail on the head. It's not all sweetness and light when you living with it every day.
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I live in St Ann’s and the only differences the LTN has made to my road — which was already so quiet you could walk down the middle at any time and was regularly used by children in groups learning cycling skills — are that it’s now often a rat-run for unhindered speeding by Deliveroo bikes and a short-term parking place for a number of young men in flashy cars, who perhaps have business to conduct.
Meanwhile, traffic counts for Green Lanes (on the thread linked from Hugh’s featured post at the top of this Ketchup) show an increase of up to 50% at certain monitoring points since the LTN’s creation, exactly as objectors predicted before it happened. Cllr Mike Hakata and council officers promised that mitigation measures would be put in place in GL before the LTNs were imposed, but absolutely nothing has been done. Harringay’s major problem is that GL is a major trunk route, as well as our high street, with the impenetrable barrier of the railway, and only two crossing points, funnelling large amounts of traffic onto a road not built to cope with it. A holistic solution based on GL — bus prioritisation, severely reduced parking and serious controls on traffic entering/leaving GL at the North Circular junction — would begin to solve the problems, but salami-slicing the borough into areas of closed routes that force increasing amounts of traffic onto GL and West Green Road just displaces vehicles and creates gridlock that actively discourages people from using public transport instead of cars.
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Permalink Reply by Nigel on
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Don, I do hope you have written in these terms in the consultation responses.
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Well said Don.
I cycle and walk where possible but also need a car (work, elderly parents, disabled relatives, children activities).
That car costs me about £3000 each year (MOT, services, petrol, insurance, taxes and general maintenance). I could do a lot of other things with that money so if I could do without a car I would. I expect most other car users are in the same boat.
Public transport is often not convenient, practical, pleasant or safe (and prices look like they'regoing up too). Just stand around at a bus stop at night at Turnpike Lane, Wood Green or West Green Road and you'll know what I mean.
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I hope you have been vocal in your support for the changes to West Green Road which do exactly that - removal of parking spaces to improve bus priority and changes to the Belmont Road junction to ease that particular bottleneck as the rat-runs that skip the lights their have been blocked to motor traffic.
https://new.haringey.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2024-08/20240805_wg...
Why do you think the current approach is not a holistic solution? There are significant benefits to people living within the LTN, and it leads to an overall reduction in motor traffic in the area. Better to see what the impacts are before spending lots of money on junction remodelling.
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I posted on that Green Lanes count looking a bit inconsistent with other data:
That Green Lanes/Beresford count looks strange.
Looking at the Vivacity traffic counts (these were counts each day through a camera and image recognition rather than a sensor) the Green Lanes at St. Anns Road count doesn't vary much pre/post LTN (August 22 for St. Ann's LTN introduction) and is around 18.5k. The count at Beresford is w/c 18 Feb where the Vivacity camera at Green Lanes/St Ann's is showing 18.5k so not sure what is happening between there and Beresford:
I did a quick dashboard from this data so people can see the traffic counts from the Vivacity sites:
https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/andrew1177/viz/TrafficCounts...
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