Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
It will only ever be Black Boy Lane
I'm still shaking my head at this. The Council has spent so much on something noone wants. I don't know why the English don't stand up to this sort of thing. It would never happen in Turkey or Greece. This guy sums it up perfectly.
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Permalink Reply by Xavier on
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Maybe this entire debacle may act as a deterrent to avoid electing councillors simply because of colour, tokenism and radical beliefs. Like the rest of London, Haringey's demographic is changing rapidly, eventually such changes to appease those who rise through public office with an axe to grind driven by a victim mentality and personal protest will be slowly erased by a voting populous who couldn't care less about their 'struggles'.
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Permalink Reply by Shar on
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I would like to offer my services to the esteemed members of Harringay Online as the facilitator of a consultation to determine whether or not this topic has been discussed to death already in this august forum.
Given the extraordinary level of interest, the cost per interested party is likely to be negligible. Please do enquire about further discounts for the underemployed.For a small additional fee plus out-of-pocket expenses, my team and I would be prepared to travel to Turkey and Greece to study renaming of streets there in order that we may be better informed on how to English properly.
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The Roman Empire extended to Turkey and Greece. I dare say there was a Black Boy Lane somewhere there. I'd post the Latin translation but I'd get into a lot of trouble ;-)
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This is the first time I have posted on this topic in any of the relevant threads. I understand the arguments on both sides (although I lean in the direction of changing the name for its current connotations, no matter any innocent origins) but simply don’t understand why anyone cares so much. There are soooooo many more important things in the world to get angry about. There are so many better ways to make the world better. it’s super weird that this topic gets more posts than anything else.
Changing the name in the first place was probably overkill, but fussing about it now it’s changed is excessive. La Rose is a very pretty name and he was a great man: worse things can happen to you than have your road thus renamed.
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All very well if you weren't a resident in the borough but we are residents and we see first hand the loss of services and amenities due to lack of funding. Its our money that we pay into so it is pertinent.
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Indeed Elizabeth, La Rose is a very pretty name, but as has been pointed out the addition of 'Lane' has made a very fitting and ironic anagram that will stick with the road for evermore, and will be the legacy of the man that drove the change.
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Permalink Reply by Rosamund Tomlins on
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Ah but Elizabeth, people really really like to have a good old moan & some of them really really, really, dislike change - & the best, most immediate method these days to express anger is over social media platforms. It gives people the feeling that they've done something to try to put the world to rights. It's actually quite informative to gauge what triggers people re how our money is being spent, that we'd all really rather keep for ourselves in the first place. It isn't ours anymore once we've paid the bills, but obviously that doesn't stop the need for accountability. The accountability is presented when requested, albeit weakly, & Haringey Council needs to know that they've spent too much money on this, & the accountability is not done well enough to engage, placate, & unite the residents. They must do better. Are those responsible reading these posts? I doubt it, but it's still useful for the rest of us.
It's also somewhat cathartic for those expressing themselves as they're unlikely to actually be able to do anything significant about the matter itself any more, so let them get on with it & we'll get on with enjoying the new name that honours a recent notable individual far more than the old name preserves some supposedly still relevant to be in our faces aspect of the past. It's all still there in the history archives as to where the name probably came from.
If the history buffs really want to keep honouring the old name they could try to do something more constructive than moaning on social media, such as petitioning for an informative plaque for where the old pub stood - which naturally gave its name to the lane leading to it - but that will also cost tax-payers money to some degree, unless some descendant linked to the pub or royalty wants to step up, & it's human nature to want to continue to rail against something against which there is no direct influence anymore. Some feel that they lost out somehow (& I hope that all those who rail did actually vote) but they can't get past it... yet. -
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Who's that you're talking to, or even about, Livi? Maybe you could try to find figures for the entire consultation results across all those who were asked, before you spread the myth, nay untruth, of an "individual or small group". I think they're quoted above somewhere.
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..and your proof that absolutely no one else prior to their initiative to take the action had ever expressed for the change in that name is where, please?
It's evident that the majority across the borough supported the change. It's unlikely that they had never thought about it before.
Plenty of forums contain posts about people disliking the name or feeling appalled by it; that's merely social media. The majority keep quiet for fear of having to deal with the tedium of the fall out of the myths & untruths perpetuated, but given the opportunity state their opinion by voting, as they did here. -
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