Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
St Ann's LTN start date - 22 August
I'm not sure whether this has been shared elsewhere on HOL - can't see it in a search but...
We have recently received a note through our front door that the St Ann's Low Traffic Neighbourhood will be implemented on 22 August.
This is a heads-up for anyone living in or driving through the area between West Green Road and St Ann's Road. There will no longer be a direct route between the two major roads unless you are a bus or have a 'X2' exemption pass.
Woodlands Park Road, Black Boy Lane, Cornwall Road and Avenue Road will all be closed to through traffic.
The restriction points will be monitored by CCTV, so no doubt LBH will be issuing lots of PCNs! Drivers beware!
I attach two documents, one a map of the area showing the traffic cells as they will be after implementation, and the other the supporting document.
Tags for Forum Posts: low traffic neighbourhoods, st anns ltn, traffic
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LTN Doc.pdf, 1.1 MB
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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Re the survey, Barbara, go to latest activity and see my most recent response on this discussion, where I link properly to the discussion where this data was presented. There was a flawed council survey, supplemented by a residents survey. Chris isn’t inaccurate in the figures he’s reporting, but they come from four year old surveys, which, as you know are very much out of date, partly because of what happened on Wightman Road and partly due to other factors.
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Permalink Reply by Barbara on
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But Hugh it's all biased...all with cycling campaigns and cyclists. Promoting walking too for those who don't cycle !
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Permalink Reply by PeterPiper on
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I think your opinions might carry more weight if you provided some empirical evidence to support them. Just a thought.
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Well look at the referenced docs..all from cycling campaigners! In plain sight!
As a cyclist I sympathise re our road experience in London but you have to be fair to other voices. We live in a city and it is rich and varied - there are many more genuine interests than one lobby group. There are many voices but we have all chosen to live together in this community with it's busy street life that we benefit from as consumers.
Harringay Ladder Healthy Streets seems to be a pressure group that has chosen to be concerned solely with the Ladder streets. No mention of the LTN in the title.
This distorts the planning potential to calm the traffic by ignoring the under used (parking) streets of the Gardens - for restaurant parking.
Because I have lived in this area for a very long time I see things very differently. It's a mistake to alienate many residents for the sake of a single community - young cyclists.
I am sure that HLHS will understand this central issue I hope to present to them.
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Yes, well I came here to live a few years ago too, when before areas were 'gated' off, where swallows flew all summer, insects were so plentiful that both windows, and windscreens had to be cleaned regularly in the warmer months, bird song was plentiful, there were sparrows everywhere and the ladder roads were 2-way.
Like you I have seen many changes too. The docs. that Chris provided spoke to the benefits of walking and cycling from several perspectives. I was hoping that as you seemed to feel so strongly that you might be able to provide empirical evidence and data to counter his arguments. Data and evidence are what are needed in order to produce plans for the future. Data was what the GLATS survey produced in 2017 but very few of the recommendations have been carried out due in the main part to a lack of funding. Limited funding is once again available, lets hope that this time it is spent more wisely through consensus. At the time climate change was an issue, but thanks to vested interests as now, it carried little weight. (see Big Oil v.The World, BBC iPlayer).
Regarding plans for the Ladder, LBH have engaged specialists to conduct a survey and bring forward recommendations for everybody on the Ladder and boundary roads to have the opportunity to examine and discuss at length. I don't think the status quo will be an option though.
As regards Harringay Ladder Healthy Streets, the clue is in their title.
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Who are these specialists? How were they chosen and how much are we paying them?
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Permalink Reply by Sarah on
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I'm an old cyclist. Disabled, decrepit, arthritic. I just want to feel safe to leave my home.
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Permalink Reply by jp quethiock on
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On the day of implementation there was chaos on Avenue Road where the invisible barrier sits guarded by cameras. The signage was poor to misleading with many residents thinking that the X2 permit meant their parking permit for the north of the St Anns area allowed them to drive home by a direct route. Local residents stood by the barrier telling drivers to turn back to avoid fines. There is now a petition on the Council's website to end the LTN scheme now. So far there are over a thousand names on the petition which is a far larger number than those who voted for the scheme in the supposed consultation. The local press have said that there was a consultation on whether to have a LTN or not. That is not so: the Council decided that there would be a LTN and offered locals only the choice of two schemes which clearly now the locals do not want.
The northern half of Avenue Road is now a two way road albeit with a single track over the old railway bridge. On the "consultation" document I pointed out that this bridge has a 7.5 ton weight restriction yet Council refuse/recycling trucks which weigh in at a minimum of 26 tons, plus other heavy lorries, regularly go over the bridge. This serious danger to the public was of course ignored. Photo attached of the road signage showing the weight restriction. For the sake of a little Council greenwash lives could be at risk. And of course with the extra traffic now diverted onto the already overcrowded Green Lanes and High Road overall pollution levels will rise across the Borough also putting health at risk.
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Permalink Reply by greenfingers on
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This is the only explanation of the X2 under the 'permit holders only' sign. Presumably from a kindhearted resident. council sign.jpg
If people do get fines, they need to appeal.
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I have just read some comments from the last 24 hours that leave me uneasy. I worry about the reactions to the LTN "debate" because it strikes me that there is a polarisation between those who feel they know what is best for their fellow citizens and the supposed ignorant others. One view was that people who sign a petition against LTN's must be from elsewhere yet people who sign the petitions against LTN's have to give their name and address so the Council is quite able to check if they are locals. Another view was that the petition against the St Anns LTN was poorly written. Perhaps it was but surely we can see that many in the area have not been well served by the education system and or have English as a second language. The fact that someone has gone to the effort of setting up a petition should be welcomed as a sign of locals trying to engage in the political process. The introduction of the LTN has in fact quite galvanised local people who traditionally have little interest in the doings of the Council, the type of folk once designated as the socially excluded, people who have little interest in voting for instance. As a chap in the local kosher shop put it, the Council will do what they do no matter what the little people say. I have found that in fact it is people from the traditionally discriminated groups who are most angry at the LTN and express this verbally and forcefully. Thank heavens someone has directed their upset into petitioning the Council. Our local councillors took about 900 votes to get elected last May, somewhat more than the four people and a ferret humorously suggested elsewhere. Perhaps the "poorly written" petitioner could stand as an independent with their 1200 plus petition votes and introduce some real local democracy. Anything that includes the usually excluded must make for a healthier local society.
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No one disputes the points you are making about the writer(s) of the petition nor what it is they hope to achieve nor the fact that the subject is polarising.
However the petitioners need to be better organised than that if they plan to get Haringey council to listen to them.
And they need to say clearly what they are petitioning for or against. Just expressing themselves “verbally and vocally” may not achieve the aims they wish.
It’s like when people submit a petition to a planning application signed by x no of signatories. It counts as one objection item. Whereas when the same no of people each send in an objection with slightly different wording it counts as x objections which can carry more weight.
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Permalink Reply by pamish on
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I don't know how it has been read elsewhere, but my criticisms are mostly about the comms from LBH. I had little idea of it though I do see a fair bit of LBH info. There are two of those electronic display signs, one on the High Rd one on Broad Lane, saying StAnns LTN begins 22nd Aug. Great if people know WTF StAnns is. It's an obscure road a mile away from this area, maybe the name of a hospital.
My pics below show what the crap implementation of the Suffield Road block is - it's invisible. Needs one of those flowerbeds on the corner, people may have got the idea then that this little road is included. Hundreds of vehicles must have gone down there this week. That's a lot of £65's.
I feel most sorry for a man I stopped driving into Suffield (which is a one-way street, so the only entrance is from this end). He lives there. He knew nothing, says he has not been written to. But he said, it's OK, I have a permit. ie a parking permit. Poor man is now up for £325 for the week. I hope there will be some flexibility, or even charity, from LBH while the word filters slowly through to the thousands of people affected.
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