Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
St Ann's LTN start date - 22 August
I'm not sure whether this has been shared elsewhere on HOL - can't see it in a search but...
We have recently received a note through our front door that the St Ann's Low Traffic Neighbourhood will be implemented on 22 August.
This is a heads-up for anyone living in or driving through the area between West Green Road and St Ann's Road. There will no longer be a direct route between the two major roads unless you are a bus or have a 'X2' exemption pass.
Woodlands Park Road, Black Boy Lane, Cornwall Road and Avenue Road will all be closed to through traffic.
The restriction points will be monitored by CCTV, so no doubt LBH will be issuing lots of PCNs! Drivers beware!
I attach two documents, one a map of the area showing the traffic cells as they will be after implementation, and the other the supporting document.
Tags for Forum Posts: low traffic neighbourhoods, st anns ltn, traffic
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LTN map.pdf, 834 KB -
LTN Doc.pdf, 1.1 MB
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Permalink Reply by Don on
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Julie - One of our erstwhile local councillors told me that one result of closing the end of Etherley Road as a school street, to help Chestnuts Primary, had been that parents now just drive down as far as the junction with Conway Road (a few yards further up) and drop children off there instead. So it's only shifted the problem, not solved it, and has added to congestion elsewhere. One might expect primary children to live within walking distance, but some of this traffic is the result of having to get children of different ages to different schools across the borough in a short space of time.
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Permalink Reply by JulieB on
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The end of Rowley Road (at junction with St Ann's Rd) is also used for drop offs/pick ups. It's dangerous to cross the road there at those times. Adding in drug dealing often happening at the same time on those corners makes it really unpleasant.
But I do agree with the principle of School Streets. Both my children went to Chestnuts. We would walk along to the end of Etherly Rd and we had several near misses of parents speeding up onto the pavement and flinging doors open.
The numbers of parents driving to do drop off did reduce in the 10 yrs my children were at primary because of 'catchments' shrinking.
But yes logistics in the mornings and afternoons can be difficult, I struggled when my son moved to secondary and my daughter was still in primary, most especially during the bridge works on Wightman. Most secondary school children can get to and from school on their own but my son couldn't.
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Don't schools have a local catchment area that is the closeby/local neighbourhood? Why are children going to school in cars?
LTNs create sort of local culs de sac. So everyone has access to their street right up to their house. Of course it may be true that a street in an adjacent LTN "cell" is no longer immediately accessible for you to park in but the same will go for the people in that "cell".
I admit that I've lived in London for 29 years now and have never owned a car. Am a member of a car club and a large shopping trolley. I think we need "Total LTN" all over London and massive investment in low cost public transport. These LTNs are going some way toward getting there. The cycling infrastructure needs massive improvement à la Holland, the pavements needs investment too. What will people do when the government starts to charge by the mile?
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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Someone has set up a petition against the St Ann’s LTN. I wont be signing.
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In the council's consultation on the LTN, a grand total of just over 700 survey respondents (about 5% of the total ward population of 14,638) supported the scheme, so the petition shouldn't have a high bar to get over to be more representative!
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Is a 10% minimum only for CPZs? 5% is crazy low.
I was looking at the result of the latest council attempt to get Muswell Hill to accept CPZ, Muswell Hill South and the Ally Paly area being consulted both had a much bigger than 10% turn out, and about 80% of that saying no to CPZ.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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1216 people have signed this ePetition. - I bet you a fair number don't even live in Haringey.
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I expect you are right about that Jon.
This is a poorly written petition which suggests a lack of critical thinking by the organisers. Regardless, petitions have no effect especially in Haringey. They are simply a means for people to scream into a void. Views of residents, whether for or against, have no bearing on council decision making. Reference the rejection of residents' views when they decided to rename Blackboy Lane (and with complete lack of empirical evidence or historical awareness).
I, for one, think the LTN is a good thing so long as there are exemptions for people with relevant disabilities.
If people are really against this they need to engage the local councillors directly and let them see the views of the people. The feedback route associated with the trial will just filter opposition views and allow the councillors who are accountable to hide behind the council staff.
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