Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Last chance to Support Living Wightman, go the extra yard & make your mark.
We can't be complacent, many leaflets have been dropped advocating no change, which will be the poorest outcome for residents across the Ladder,
this is the first time our lungs have been considered, don't let Haringey council muddy the water, we need to go for it now.
I'm sure there are other posts on interventions, but this is my reminder.
Living Wightman's link here:
http://www.livingwightman.org/p/faq.html?m=1#faq11
or follow the 10 step guide through below:
Q11: How do I complete the survey to support the filtering of Wightman Road?
https://www.research.net/r/GLATS
Haringey council's engagement survey asks for your opinion on ten different 'Packages' of options, each Package has between 5 and 14 options.
For each option you can click a button to indicate how strongly you support or oppose that option:
In total there are over 70 options across the ten packages, (yes really,)
so allow yourself time if you want to read all the accompanying details & wish to answer every question.
It is possible to simplify the options, if you just want to support Living Wightman's aims.
If all you want to do is indicate support for "Package WL4: Wightman Road Closed (Filtered)",
follow these steps:
• Go to https://www.research.net/r/GLATS and click Next
• Click No to "Would you like to comment on this Package (AW - Area-wide Improvements)" - then click Next
• Also click No & click Next for the next two Packages PC and GL
• Click Yes to comment on Package WL
• For Package WL1, click "I don't know/not applicable" for each option
• Also for Package WL2 and WL3, you can click "I don't know/not applicable" for each option (you can click Oppose to options WL2-01a and WL3-01a if you are against one-way)
• for Package WL4, click "Strongly Support" for all options
• Question 13* is where you can indicate your preferred package as WL4
(note that the question number may be higher than 13 if you clicked Yes to comment on any previous packages.)
• Click No & click Next for the last two Packages HE and SA
• The final question asks for your house number and postcode, this is just to allow the consultants to classify responses according to where they live (and stop the same household responding more than once!)
If you did want to comment on any of the other package options you can click Yes to any Package and then support or oppose the options as you wish. Most of us are strongly opposed to one-way (package WL2 and WL2) and generally support the various area-wide traffic calming and streetscape improvements and cycle schemes.
For Living Wightman the single most important goal is to maximise support for Package WL4 as this is the only option to ensure long-term drastic reduction of traffic on the worst affected Wightman Road.
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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I'm sure the Council promised us a holistic study for the whole of Haringey.
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Permalink Reply by JulieB on
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I suppose they've asked everyone in the study area. But I wouldn't say what we have is a holistic study. All the options are split into the sub areas - well except the whole area improvements one which is still a group of suggestions made by us locals.
I asked at one of the workshops why the consultants didn't look at the area as a whole and suggest some solutions and they said they didn't want to do something that no one wanted. Which didn't make a lot of sense to me. In my mind they, as experts, should suggest a (or some alternative) holistic solution(s) and then we could feedback.
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Permalink Reply by 1vut8bf3om5m9 on
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By the Council's own words they did engage such experts--this is from the section on the matter from the Haringey Council's site:
Appointed Consultants
Steer Davies Gleave (SDG) was appointed in February 2016 to undertake the study, which started in March 2016.
SDG is tasked with developing a series of measures to achieve a number of outcomes including a better distribution of traffic, recognising the specific issues and problems within the area.
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Permalink Reply by matthew cuthbert on
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I believe a HoL member concluded SDG's research was a bit simplistic.
anyone found that thread?
No one is an 'expert,' if they think they are, they will learn nothing.
Better distribution of traffic sounds like Flow, same traffic just spread out.
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They do seem to have provided so many options as to have muddied the water.
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Permalink Reply by JoeW on
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Julie, in my experience consultants don't tend to contribute many or even any new ideas to a process. They certainly don't have a magic wand which they wave and leave you with a perfect solution which no one else had thought of.
In practice, the role is more about drawing out your own ideas, providing their knowledge on what has worked or not worked elsewhere, and provide a framework or toolkit to allow the competing solutions to be compared and decisions made.
I don't agree with everything the Steer Davies Gleave consultants have contributed but generally I think they have done a pretty good job on that basis.
Wightman filtering (plus mitigation measures to reduce disruption on the neighbouring roads) is also a genuinely holistic solution, certainly compared to most of the previous ad hoc traffic calming measures, isolated closures or right turn bans etc. Filtering holistically addresses the traffic problem across all 20 Ladder rungs and Wightman Road itself, equitably bringing traffic volumes on these purely residential streets down to the same level.
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Thanks Joe, that is interesting. I know the consultants don't have a magic wand, but I think they have more knowledge and experience of town planning and traffic flows than we do. So I would have liked some independent and expert suggestions. But maybe you're right and we have thought of everything.
I don't agree with you that the closing/filtering of Wightman Road is a holistic solution for the whole of the study area. But I totally understand and respect your viewpoint and arguments for it, so I'm happy to agree to disagree.
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While I would like to see less and slowed traffic, I am not in favour of filtering. I also live on Seymour Road so am very concerned about proposed increases if Warham's direction is changed.
I had an interesting conversation with a door knocking councillor recently. I don't remember the details but she seemed to imply that it was very political with councillors in adjoining areas not willing to open up their roads to help absorb the ladder's traffic problems. Can anyone expand on this? She also didn't come across as sympathetic about the idea of proposed traffic increase potential on Seymour Road or that it might affect the shops on Green Lanes if they took away parking.
I've felt compelled to write here as I like a lot of people read HOL but it always seems to be the same people posting and I would hate for the councillors and traffic consultants to think HOL was wholly representative. In case people are wondering, its quite intimidating to post here...
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Was this the Councilor?
1.50 into clip, a special mention of Beresford Rd, I would have said the People of Harringay, was this Freudian slip...I'm always interested in what is said at the doorstop.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Seymour is one of the quiet roads compared to Warham. Every time we do tinkering to fix the "worst road" it just moves traffic onto another rung road. Witness the shambles of the Hewitt no-right-turn (well, from Beresford's point of view it was a shambles).
Yes, posting on the internet is quite daunting, I don't post anywhere else so I get it if you think I'm just being very brave.
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