Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Harringay councillor responds to @tom_watson on mad leftie plots in @UKLabour
Local councillor Emine Ibrahim has responded to Tom Watson's slightly hysterical warnings of a plot by Momentum to "take control" of the Labour Party, here.
"Dramatic headlines yesterday claimed that the Labour Party will soon be over-run by a sinister hard left faction. One would be forgiven for thinking they had read the blurb for the latest John Le Carre novel."
Excellent comparison.
I wrote this though: "Organisations like Progress and Labour First were however astonishingly successful in recognising that if there were 10 committed Campaign for Labour Party Democracy members in a ward then they needed to get 11 people to that meeting to elect 6 delegates to sit on the GC to represent the 80 members that hadn’t turned up." and I'll be asking for my percentage of Emine's fee.
Although Emine, I would ask you to perhaps look into the council's plans to force your constituents to live in a traffic choked rat run too. Thanks.
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Permalink Reply by Cllr Emina Ibrahim on
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Thanks for the link John :)) I am not quite sure you had much to do with that quote though I do acknowledge you have shown a keen interest in the internal workings of the Labour Party.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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You really have no idea. Want me to explain the difference between communism and socialism to you? Want me to explain why somethings are better off in the hands of socialists and some things are better off in the hands of capitalists? Want hospitals in the hands of capitalists? Want a space program in the hands of socialists?
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The UK Labour party has been drifting towards the Tory party via focus groups in swing constituencies for decades. Yes totalitarian governments can be ruthless, for instance setting the police onto you if you catch them cheating at "politics" . However we coped quite well with a good amount of socialism here in our market driven economy and now corporate lobbyists, looking for fresh fees, are opening "new markets" in our health and education systems (to name but two). Did the previous Labour leadership look like it would do anything about this? Understand that socialism != totalitarianism?
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Permalink Reply by Melissa Softley on
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Whist i am in full agreement with your posts here John, there is that old chesnut about the US vs Russian space programs re the billion dollar pen developed to write in space and the pencil favoured by the Russians ;-)
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Once businesses are established like this, in a capitalist market they are driven towards monopoly.
The government don't actually run the trains any more through being the owner than they do through the regulation required to run a proper service. They're just not driven to make profits. Trains are important for an economy like the UK as the people in them are engaging in "dead time" with respect to GDP.
I think you're coming over as an idiot again to try to make a point which is a bit sad considering the average IQ on display on HoL, e.g. "degenerates from the private sector". Necessary?
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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DB is a State owned AG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Bahn
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The point is that without heavy regulation these mature industries tend toward monopoly. Even the big six energy suppliers are effectively a monopoly all selling exactly the same product at a price that NEVER goes down unless the government "regulate". Why on earth are they sitting there generating profits for capitalists? The argument that they're better run than if the government owned them is bogus, EDF?
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What would pensioners rather have? Fat profits from their pension funds (no they don't get the profits, I know a UK Equity pension fund manager who is paid £2 million a year) or lower heating bills?
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Here is a good example of the state trying to make life easy for their citizens and the private sector squealing "but how will we make money!?" and lobbying the hell out of it.
TL;DR = how Americans pay tax is the result of lobbying by software/accounting firms that rely on the current system to make profits.
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Permalink Reply by Philip on
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Labour has not been taken over by anybody, and still remains in the cold dead hands of the people who lost the last two elections. They are determined to thwart the membership's wishes and keep it as Tory Party Lite. As a relatively new member I am somewhat despondent that my moderate wishes have been presented as extremist. they are broadly; a fully public NHS; a fully public education system, run by elected local authorities; a fully public transport system throughout the UK; an end to the private sector involvement in public housing like Haringey Council wants to do; building a million new council houses and ending their sell off to private landlords. An end to politically motivated 'austerity' which is leading to a shrinking economy, lower wages and the 'gig' system of driving down wages and job security. In much of Europe these are regarded as normal social democratic policy, but in the UK they are 'looney lefty Trot' policies. btw I do not think either Cuba or Venezuela are models for anyone to follow.
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