Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Glyphosate in Haringey
Frequency has been reduced on Ferry Lane Estate, but still not good enough! It should be banned borough-wide. The thing that baffles me is, central Government knows the harm it causes, but keeps renewing the license. Monsanto, the manufacturer, is an American billionaire company. They carry a lot of clout, and their tentacles have infiltrates UK politics.
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Permalink Reply by maggie on
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The potato blight of the Irish famine 1845-52 also occurred in Scotland and across Northern Europe causing devastation and hunger but it was not responsible for the million deaths that occurred in Ireland. The Irish potato famine was man made.
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I am sure there are others here who know more but I'll have a go.
97% of the land was owned by landlords (many of whom were absentees, mostly in England). The majority of land was kept for producing cash crops for export profit (cheap potatoes for England, profits going to the colonial power) the remainder was rented and sub let annually in smaller and smaller plots, the tenants could be turfed off at will, with the majority of people having no access to land.
Anyone who grows crops will know that this tenuous insecure system is hopeless as it does not allow for rotation (encouraging disease), the small holding was not big enough for a variety of crops to feed the family, so people (3 million) were totally dependant solely on potatoes (and one variety at that, again encouraging disease) and any improvements went to the landlord.
The people were deeply impoverished, living precariously, with no safety net or margin to keep them from disaster and no representation to change their lot. They also had to pay the landlord rent, often through their labour working on the landlords land and to pay tax. When the blight came they had no options, no ability to buy alternative seeds or crops they were evicted from their plots in their hundreds of thousands, they could starve or migrate and there was no assistance.
Throughout the famine armed guards protected 4000 ships carrying potatoes, butter, salmon, beans etc FROM starving Ireland TO England and the export of Irish cattle, ham and bacon increased during the starvation. Meanwhile the poor of Ireland could afford no food, a million died from hunger and opportunistic disease and 2 million migrated.
There are other factors, and I'm sure there are others out there who can contribute more, and much to read, however the crisis from potato blight and the starvation were not inevitable and not reproduced to this extent in other affected countries. -
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Had glyphosate been available it wouldn't have happened.
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Permalink Reply by Jeanette Sitton on
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Surely, you're not making glyphosate out to be humans' best friend, after all the information available. Whether you believe it, or not, very bad press remains very bad press. I don't really mean this as antagonistic, I just can't believe you'd write that, 'cause had glyphosate been around during the potato blight, we'd be even more pumped with hazardous chemicals than we are now. Incidentally, what England did back then was abominable.
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Ok then.
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Permalink Reply by EMC2 on
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Not so sure Antoinette, glyphosate is a herbicide not a fungicide?
As for the famine.
In 1841 Ireland had a population of just over eight million, around a third of the then UK's 26 million. Even today it's still only around five million, while the UK's is around 65 million.
It's still raw. Recently when photographing in a graveyard in Lurgan, Co Armagh I got into a conversation with a local. He was pointing out various interesting graves and I remarked on how crowded it was and wondered why they hadn't expanded into a large grassy tract next to the wall. He said it was a mass grave from the famine, and added that relatively recently there had been an attempt to raise a monument but descendant families were, even now, too ashamed to have their names on it, so it never happened.
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Scary, dispicable and unforgivable conduct. Glyphosate though, affects the human race on an 'international' level.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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The Collective Evolution article quoted by Jeanette in support of her attack on Monsanto as a developer of agricultural chemicals ends with an advertisement for a free numerology reading - " Your life path number can tell you a LOT about you. With the ancient science of numerology you can find out accurate and revealing information just from your name and birthdate ...... learn more about how you can use numerology in your life to find out more about your path and journey ".
I don't think that enhances the credibility of the article.
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I've presented you with what I believe to be true facts. If you choose overlook them, which is, of course, your prerogative, that's fine. Incidentally, many companies have promoted their products as safe and, even get widespread scientific approval, to things which are later discovered as being highly dangerous. So, I'm not surprised that many scientists say Glyphosate is ok. History tells us that that's what generally happens. We should, however, err on the side of caution. Consider these examples:
- DDT - In America, they sprayed it EVERYWHERE. In a promotion exercise, they even sprayed it directly on adults and children, just to prove how safe it was, (which, years later, proved very 'unsafe'!
- RADIATION - Radioactive items were sold including: radium pendants for rheumatism, uranium blankets for arthritis, anti-aging radioactive cosmetics, radioactive water, and more. No need for explanation why that was wrong. The green material painted on clock hands (so they would glow in the dark), discovered to be radioactive, caused cancers in factory employees. - HEROIN COUGH SYRUP - No need to explain the harm in that.
- TOBACCO - Physicians told us smoking was safe. We later found out it was anything but. But so many still turn a blind eye.
TAPE WORMS - Were considered great for losing weight! But, can result in abdominal pain, weakness, headaches, nausea, diarrhea, constipation, bloating, vitamin deficiencies, and much worse.
I reiterate, we should always err on the side of caution. - Attachments:
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Thank you for a solid argument.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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"I reiterate, we should always err on the side of caution." I wholeheartedly disagree but surely if that's what you believe you should be staying inside anyway.
BTW, when you use the word "fact" it is sufficient to use it by itself. You don't need to say "true facts" as it implies that there are some "false facts" which is just nonsense.
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