Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Harringay (Green lanes Area) Transport Study
A letter just dropped through y door asking for feedback. Here is mine:
"I hope the council considers the permanent closure of Wightman Road. Gradually commuters and long-distance drivers are realising they need to either use alternative main roads, or switch to public transport or cycling. The study shows that residents overwhelmingly do not own a car (61%), and prefer public transport, walking or cycling for their commute (82%)."
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Permalink Reply by James Whyte on
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by walking, duh ;)
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Permalink Reply by Pat on
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Wow, excellent response. So, you are stating that all local residents should not be allowed to own or use a car. Taking it to the extreme, cycling should also be prohibited as the kerb would also prevent cyclists from turning right unless they dismounted. Unless the sarcasm went over my head. At Least V&M had an interesting solution to my question.
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Permalink Reply by JoeW on
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Pat, I think we'd need to keep the right hand turn onto St Anns as its used by the 341 bus. Gardens drivers could then enter via the St Anns/Warwick Gardens entrance. Alternatively from Manor House head down Seven Sisters and onto St Anns from there. Then either via Warwick Gardens again or else head onto Green Lanes so you can turn left. However to really minimise the turning movements on GL it might be best to make each east-west Gardens road, and all the Ladder rungs, no through roads - so even left turns off GL would just be for the residents at the end nearest GL, and people using the parking bays.
With this layout, Ladder Residents coming home would not head south down GL, they'd have to get onto Wightman at one or other end.
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Permalink Reply by Nick on
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How do visitors / deliveries get to the Gardens? What is the rationale for banning right turns anyway? Usually the traffic on Green Lanes is so slow moving that anyone turning right is not held up. Particularly with these new box junctions.
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With that particular no-through-road solution, there would be no need for the bollards on Warwick or Kimberley Gardens, so deliveries and visitors can use those roads.
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With that particular no-through-road solution, there would be no need for the bollards on Warwick or Kimberley Gardens, so deliveries and visitors can use those roads.
But there would be a through road, from St Anns -> Green Lanes. The Gardens are already traffic managed and it works relatively well - why change this?
Joe, I can see you've suggested a number of solutions on the Haringey study traffic map, but with respect, they do not seem completely thought through.
Most of your suggestions would, if implemented, immediately create obvious and serious issues.
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Nick, read my earlier solution again, I said with this one it would be best to make the Gardens no-through roads.
Every solution suggested by myself or anyone else will have at least some obvious inconvenience for at least some people. But they are all better than the previous status quo, which was seriously unhealthy and inequitable, and will only get worse unless we all make some fairly radical changes.
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Permalink Reply by Peter Chalk on
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I agree about the Gardens. All the Ladder and Wightman needs is something similar.
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Nick, read my earlier solution again, I said with this one it would be best to make the Gardens no-through roads.
Are you saying you would block the GL end of the Gardens roads with a gate?
Every solution suggested by myself or anyone else will have at least some obvious inconvenience for at least some people. But they are all better than the previous status quo, which was seriously unhealthy and inequitable, and will only get worse unless we all make some fairly radical changes.
Your solutions seem biased towards the Ladder / Wightman Road. The previous status quo was more equitable than the current situation, which has dumped a lot of extra traffic onto Green Lanes.
The way I see it, as a long term resident, is that the current traffic problems on Green Lanes are mainly down to
1) The popularity of Arena (w.r.t. visitors coming by car), and the nightmare of that junction.
Solution-> Reduce car park availability in the main car park, perhaps even convert it into a market with stalls. It seems Sainsburys will become housing in the near future.
2) The current closure of Wightman Road.
Solution-> This will solve itself on September 1st. So far no-one has come up with a solution the majority agree on, in terms of reducing traffic on that road.
3) The Salisbury road junction and traffic lights.
Solution-> Make Warham road one way Eastbound. Enforce a left turn out of Salisbury Road and remove the traffic lights.
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Kimberley Gardens is already congested and there are daily stand-offs with cars refusing to give way. It is also one of the most popular parking streets for visitors to the restaurants and Yasser Halim.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Pat the cars are refusing to give way? Self driving cars already? I hate to be picky but there are adults behind those steering wheels still and they're behaving like children.
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